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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Freedom]
    #28623260 - 01/16/24 10:30 AM (12 days, 3 hours ago)

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If the subjective experience is consistent it is objectively based and not subjective. It's self refuting.




Consistency is subjective. Measuring someones height in nanometers will vary more from measurement to measurement than rounding to inches. So subjectively we try to use the more consistent measurement and ignore the more subtle differences.

At very small scales we acknowledge that other factors must be accounted for, because variation is constant. It isn't enough to measure a thing, to maintain the appearance of consistency many such things must be measured.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion]
    #28623377 - 01/16/24 11:50 AM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

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Kickle said:
Consistency is subjective. Measuring someones height in nanometers will vary more from measurement to measurement than rounding to inches. So subjectively we try to use the more consistent measurement and ignore the more subtle differences.

At very small scales we acknowledge that other factors must be accounted for, because variation is constant. It isn't enough to measure a thing, to maintain the appearance of consistency many such things must be measured.



I strongly disagree with that.

What you describe is called a margin of error.
It doesn't negate consistency.




Disagree all you want. I'm not sure how variance, the acknowledgment of variance, etc. doesn't negate the idea of some objective consistency. And you provided nothing to say why.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion]
    #28623407 - 01/16/24 12:14 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

No one said they do. Margins of error pertain to correlations amongst data sets. Such error does not invalidate correlation. But it is acknowledged and reported for a reason.

If I understand you correctly, you believe consistency within a range is sufficient to establish an object. And although you acknowledge variation occurs, it's occurrence within this range is acceptable.

I'm ok with that. It's only half of what I posted about though.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion]
    #28623417 - 01/16/24 12:20 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)


For me the broader question in relationship to this thread is: consistency of what?

I think most in modern science would not say of an object, but of a relationship. This is what I was attempting to point out in the original post.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion]
    #28623432 - 01/16/24 12:29 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

Ok, let's move on to the second part. I'll concede your definition of consistency as objective is workable to discuss something more important imo.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28625748 - 01/18/24 10:21 AM (10 days, 3 hours ago)

Wouldn't that mean it's subjective? Being subjected to reality, in whatever form that takes?

Belief =/= subjective experience


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