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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion]
    #28622075 - 01/15/24 11:41 AM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

even the question of reality pinging around in my brain, as well as my brain and my own existence each moment in space is reality, everything happening is reality, and everything that has already happened is history, in most ways, inaccessible, except for memory and physical mementos/souvenirs.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Rahz]
    #28622179 - 01/15/24 01:20 PM (13 days, 19 minutes ago)

mostly I have no distinction between objectivity and subjectivity, I know my senses are iffy and my experience is introverted, but that puts me (pretty much) how I want to, and how I am best equipped to, enjoy "reality".

in that way, it's personal, but I am keeping it real with reflection in the moment.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Rahz]
    #28622358 - 01/15/24 04:06 PM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

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Every solipsist is a realist when crossing traffic except the ones who get Darwin awards.



would I not have to write or suggest that I think others do not exist in the real world to qualify as a solipsist?


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Rahz]
    #28622423 - 01/15/24 05:19 PM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

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Yes I wasn't implying you were, it was just an example of how there is utility in thinking of cars as real/objective things.



I was distracted by unreal cars for most of the day...


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Rahz] * 2
    #28622603 - 01/15/24 07:38 PM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

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I've got a friend who has an electric scooter that goes 55.



tell him I said to wear a helmet and a full set of motorcycle padding.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: lostintimenspc] * 2
    #28622993 - 01/16/24 06:32 AM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

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There is something with a feature, that of 'broadening' - most seem to refer to it as the world or reality. I would say the fact that it broadens, that this is evidence for something existing as reality.





can you say a little more about that?




If there is a world or reality, broadening is not sufficient to prove reality, but it would be necessary, if reality existed.

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The fact there are ripples (broadening) in a pond (phenomena/perception) necessitate a surface, say.

When my mind expands on mushrooms or LSD, or even day to day with mood fluctuations, I notice I'm not just seeing more of the same, or processing more, that in fact something is being peered into. It is not a clearer image, not a more complex one from an overworked brain, but instead I am peering.




the idea of broadening as a verification of reality is interesting and intuitive, in the sense that real spaces can be explored and the path in remains usually as a safe path out from any explorations in reality.

but broadening, branching out, and ramifying is a property of perception during hallucination such as when an image of a goddess seems to become more and more compellingly beautiful as you stare at her, and light begins to radiate from her skin, etc. jewels and sparkles etc. are all products of ramified perception on drugs or emotional or trance states.

so in terms of broadening, or ramifying, I think that if you stay with the freshest sensory input every 1/3 of a second or less, then you are not tripping out on branches into hallucination.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28622994 - 01/16/24 06:34 AM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

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Isn't the origin of the idea that reality doesn't exist actually mental illness?

There are people who have severe deficits in terms of the perception of reality. They often require heavy medication.



in a traditional way, yes, but these days we have to allow that in fact each of us has their own reality but together we share life and resources and we serve eachother as well.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: Nillion] * 2
    #28623053 - 01/16/24 07:42 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago)



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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28624189 - 01/17/24 04:39 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

only a few abstract relationships do not change, like physics formulae.
change is very real.
everything real is in some kind of flux although the time range varies:
subatomic is extremely fast
chemical reactions can be very fast
single cells and bacteria change quickly
weather is pretty fast
multicellular creatures including us change at a moderate pace but include faster changes within.
buildings last decades to hundreds of years while parts within change faster
trees may last 1000 years but still change daily
rocks change over hundreds of thousands of years
planets change over millions of years
stars change over billions of years


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28625390 - 01/17/24 11:03 PM (10 days, 14 hours ago)

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I don't think you need to belive in reality for it to exist..



agreed.
just don't get in its way or on its bad side, and you will be fine.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28626779 - 01/19/24 06:28 AM (9 days, 7 hours ago)

g'mornin.


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28626798 - 01/19/24 07:04 AM (9 days, 6 hours ago)

even if I were a vulcan, it only would work if contact was made, ergo vulcans do not shake hands.
and being betazoid is unappealing, they take off all their clothes at weddings.
words will have to suffice.

yeah drawing loosely helps a lot for me, and makes me more tolerant of and interested in loose verbal expression as well. (except for engineering - dang those Ikea drawings are the worst!)


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Re: What does 'reality' mean to you, and what is the benefit in believing in such a thing? [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #28628546 - 01/20/24 12:52 PM (8 days, 47 minutes ago)

I have no way of imagining the meaning of ultimate reality.
do you mean the last reality we experience, or the reality that eventually everyone agrees about?

ultimate just doesn't make sense on anything so widely scoped.


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