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Some neurology theory
    #28620552 - 01/14/24 06:10 AM (14 days, 9 hours ago)

So I recently got into meditation let’s say. And if you study neurology, and the idea of the self. Meditation would be the firing of the base neural network.

Now I’ve been playing around with meditation and psychedelics. The idea is that you make the brain more malleable while during or before meditation. To make a more indifferent self.

Depending on dose, I think I have something. I’ve even wondered if you could change some learning curves. Learn something new while on them while using past skills. To hone an intuition curve, it’s just an idea.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28620560 - 01/14/24 06:21 AM (14 days, 9 hours ago)

It makes sense from my perspective.

I know more than one person who has a similar notion and who finds combining meditation with psychedelics to be deeply rewarding, though their practice does not seem as goal oriented as yours appears to be.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: Nillion]
    #28620617 - 01/14/24 07:49 AM (14 days, 8 hours ago)

It can be, you could then start to get into the field of schizophrenia and MPD or now known as DID.

With other ideas that different triptomones might have other soothing effects. Maybe even stimulate neural growth, by untangling the ends of damaged neurons. So they could potentially weave back together.

Just a thought.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28620741 - 01/14/24 09:42 AM (14 days, 6 hours ago)

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mushroomboy said:
So I recently got into meditation let’s say. And if you study neurology, and the idea of the self. Meditation would be the firing of the base neural network.

Now I’ve been playing around with meditation and psychedelics. The idea is that you make the brain more malleable while during or before meditation. To make a more indifferent self.

Depending on dose, I think I have something. I’ve even wondered if you could change some learning curves. Learn something new while on them while using past skills. To hone an intuition curve, it’s just an idea.




I practice meditation and use psychedelics to inform my practice.  I've recently used this combination to trace dopamine reward cycles into the cerebral cortex via closed eye visuals (eye consciousness as Buddhism calls it) and can relax the reward cycle directly.

Essentially, using mushrooms and meditation to undue conditioning.

Would be happy to go into details regarding my practice as well as some interesting places conditioning likes to catch in sutble ways (double grasping for example, which is how we get attached to both the object of perception and the sense of observing it) and some antidotes I use for strong habits of appropriation of a self out of sense experience (open, let be, and disown was advice I found in a Rinpoche Trungpa book that's been helpful lately).

What does your practice look like?  And what species or strain of mushrooms have you found helpful?


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28620818 - 01/14/24 10:54 AM (14 days, 4 hours ago)

The Jack Frost reverts I uhhh made ish. There pretty baller, kept cloning till I got good genes.

And I took the god route. I think the highest I’ve done is 1oz lemon? But normally I’ll do an 8th to a quarter lemon. That would be my goto.

And I just meditate, let my mind think freely. Which is what got me to remembering some things of the past.

There is a lot that is misunderstood about how the psychedelics interact with the nervous system. As well as the overall function. Cause I look at the soul as a quantum harmonic within the constrains of the organic machine as the soul. So when you look at it this way, things become more complex.

Things like aura and consciousness itself takes on a different shape. When you do mantras, or meditate on specific things. Are you training the mind, or the soul? What is psychology in that aspect. (: it’s interesting to think about.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621403 - 01/14/24 07:00 PM (13 days, 20 hours ago)

Training the mind to be open to the soul, which is kinda like the universal mind I suppose :smile:

I see things through an anarchist lens though, as in, the above isn't hierarchical.  The subjective and the ultimate dimension co-create each other endlessly.  Without the waves, there is no ocean, and without the ocean, there are no waves.

As to quantum models of the mind, I'm open to them.  Space and time are flexible concepts I'm still exploring.  Right now I'm looking at causation through Buddhism and Systems Science and just being curious in my practice towards phenomena.  Working on being more open and less aggressive towards mind in all its permutations.  And grasping at it less, especially in regards to I making and appropriation as me or mine.

The above with grounding through mindfulness of the body, breathing especially.  The mushrooms I'm enjoying right now for meditation are Pan Bisporus especially but I'm also exploring Tamp stones and fruits.  I've done a lot of cubes in the past and am growing out a few more species of exotics right now that I want to check out.  Subtropicals I'm probably looking forward to the most based on reports from people who work in mushroom medicine spaces that are familiar with it.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28621568 - 01/14/24 09:51 PM (13 days, 18 hours ago)

I’ve gotten some natals, and they are very clean. I haven’t tried tamps yet. I actually just got back into mushrooms after 10 year hiatus. I had to let’s say, then alcoholism got bad.

This has pretty much kept me from drinking. It’s not only changed my life emotionally but I can think again! It’s nice, people don’t understand what these can do not just spiritually but emotionally grounding with the proper training.

So far this Jack Frost revert I’m playing with is very smooth. I’m very satisfied with them.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621742 - 01/15/24 05:25 AM (13 days, 10 hours ago)

I took a break too and my mental health got bad over Covid.  Fell into some dark habits with cough syrup.

Glad that's over and I'm back to my relationship with fungus.

They certainly help me keep my head on straight.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28621796 - 01/15/24 06:59 AM (13 days, 8 hours ago)

Yah, that was rough. I almost got caught up in some of that. Ugh, the spells they put into politics. Nasty nasty mental manipulation and word play. Ugh, it’s why I don’t like watching news. I’d rather read a peer review article. Haha

At least we came out of it ok.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621807 - 01/15/24 07:25 AM (13 days, 8 hours ago)

If you are interested in learning more about this topic of the default mode network and the effect the mushrooms have check out the book Reality Switch Technology by Andrew Gallimore.

You are on to something with your thinking. This book will expand upon your idea and hopefully lead you to some deeper meditation.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: witheredjoint]
    #28621813 - 01/15/24 07:30 AM (13 days, 8 hours ago)

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If you are interested in learning more about this topic of the default mode network and the effect the mushrooms have check out the book Reality Switch Technology by Andrew Gallimore.

You are on to something with your thinking. This book will expand upon your idea and hopefully lead you to some deeper meditation.




Now we are getting somewhere. Hehe, ive followed some of the more modern work. It’s just most of this work, has been taboo for so long.

That needs to end. (:


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: witheredjoint]
    #28621941 - 01/15/24 09:37 AM (13 days, 6 hours ago)

This sounds interesting.

In Buddhist cosmology and psychology our state of consciousness (mental conditioning as currently expressed) pulls us towards different realms.  The realms are grouped into six major types and we generally only are aware of two of them (animal and human).  On Ayahuasca and mushrooms I've visited a lot of places that align energetically with these realms and have found the models helpful for navigating out of hell realms especially (I look for the light of compassion basically).  But also as a reminder not to get to attached to pleasurable realms either as both heaven and hell bind us to cyclical existence.




As to the ontology of them, the Buddha and his most enlightened disciples interact with beings from other realms as if they're objective phenomenon and there's many places the sutras suggest that our own realm is ultimately as ephemeral as a dream and should be held as lightly as such.

These are people that spent their lives unbinding themselves from their own mental conditioning and while it's quite likely the sutras were embelished as they were transmitted, it's also quite likely they had a deep understanding of things that I'm barely aware of.

I'm going to peck around and see if I can grab a used copy of the book.  Thanks for the suggestion.

edit:  Wanted to link this bit from Reality Switching Technologies.  Cool stuff about world states and how the mind models things.

https://grahamhancock.com/gallimorea2/


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28622085 - 01/15/24 11:51 AM (13 days, 4 hours ago)

Yah, I uhh. Let’s say started taking god doses. And then started meditating, my train of thought has even changed drastically. It’s nice actually, I don’t care to drink either.

Tho man, the nicotine problem. Ugh, the one that’s harder to quit than alcohol I swear.

It also gave me a better connection to life. Thanks! This is why I like forums, it keeps track for me. (:


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622149 - 01/15/24 12:53 PM (13 days, 2 hours ago)

Yeah nicotine has been hard.  I picked the habit up again during a rough spot over the summer.

Been working on letting it go again ever since.  Sucking on a lozenge now.  I think I'm at day six without a smoke and over a week since I bought my last pack!

The last week was difficult though.  Did a lot of meditation, micro dosed every other day and macro dosed at the start.

Thankfully I was pretty aware of cravings and was liberal with the lozenges.  I think that helped a lot with the irritability not getting out of hand and causing me to smoke.

My main motivation is wanting to breath and just feel better.  The shortness of breath has been setting in again and I'm not a fan of not breathing.  My body lives with enough stress you know.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28622166 - 01/15/24 01:07 PM (13 days, 2 hours ago)

Yah, my mechanic usually is to trip hard then just stop. That’s how I powered through the alcohol withdrawal. First day sober, 14g and just wait it out. That was a rough day of shakes, cold, hot, cold. Ugh. Not again.

I do the ecig for now, got back down to 3mg. Not too bad. Only thing I hate is living with winter. Wish I could move elsewhere. Skins too dry, ugh.

Good luck! I used cough drops once, and those cheap suckers work too. I might have to get some and just kick the habit.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622204 - 01/15/24 01:41 PM (13 days, 2 hours ago)

Yeah, if you live in the states the lozenges are really cheap at Walmart.  I like the 2mg cherry ones.

Also wanted to ask if you've ever done listening meditation practices?  You mentioned either here or in your PM that music was a gateway into meditative spaces for you.  I've only come across a couple of guided meditations on it but they're really nice to just sit and be receptive to whatever you hear without trying to label the sound or judge if you like it or dislike it.

Here's a Buddhist Nun whose podcast I listen to pretty often giving a guided meditation on listening.



Carbon Based Lifeforms was one of my first experiences with music and meditation.  Also In Rainbows by Radiohead.  Used to listen to both in the dark with headphones on on five gram doses.  Just exploring the closed eye visual space which started to take on a lucid dream quality the more I played with it.

Eventually it started giving away to stuff deeper than a lucid dream space.  Really hard to explain as concepts don't work well in those spaces and tend to kinda kill them if you try.

Bought Reality Switch Technologies.  Paid more than I wanted too.  But the neurology of World Maps I thought was really cool and I felt the model he explained in the Graham Hancock article gave me some new insights into how conditioning helps create our World Maps and can get us stuck in certain views.  Looking forward to reading it when I have the time.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog]
    #28622247 - 01/15/24 02:14 PM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

So music isn’t just the gateway. Audio acoustic programming starts before you exit the womb. It’s the first sense that’s fully developed. By what do I mean? Umm, you may have fluid in there. But those eardrums still work. And so that’s how the music studies with mothers got started.

So if you think about that. Then the music you listen to, is probably subconsciously programming your soul.

Psychology is one of my big passions, and reading niel Strauss the game, gave me a good insight on NLP. Neural linguistic programming. It makes me wonder, could you make sound harmonics as sub text? So low, that only the subconscious hears it?

Sorry, odd tangent. But it gets to another point. Are some chants less about the words. And more about the pronunciation. It’s the actual audio and not the meaning derived that’s mending the soul. Or mind, however you want to look at it.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28622282 - 01/15/24 02:39 PM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

I'd say more about the vibration.

Singing on DMT and sometimes on mushrooms is something I really enjoy.  Just feeling the vibration as sounds come out of my mouth.

There's certainly some meditative healing happening with it.

You know the vibration of a cats purr is healing and healthy for the cat?

I think our own vibrations can be healing for us too!


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #28622291 - 01/15/24 02:48 PM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

Yes, there is much to be said about harmonics. You could even argue that it’s a mental state. That promotes health, which could encourage healing. Something something.

There is a lot we presume to know, and more that we don’t.


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Re: Some neurology theory [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28628348 - 01/20/24 09:45 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

Dried organic Marshmallow leaf and Coltsfoot smokes really well especially with weed but even on its own. If you want it harsher dried dogwood bark works, or for a bit of sweetness dried clover flowers.


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