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Offlinekirk_me
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Difficult in breathing during the coming up * 1
    #28620452 - 01/14/24 12:47 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Hello everyone in the room and thank you for let me read your extremely interesting experience during these years of my readings of first-hand experiences about magic mushrooms. I'm not exactly a newbie about shrooms but I always been a moderate consumer as I consider myself sensitive even at low doses (im not talking about visual but about body feelings, which they are what I look for).
I would like to report a quite unpleasant experience I had. In two occasions it happened I had some difficult in breathing in coincidence with the coming up/kick in of the shrooms effect. The first time it happened, I thought it was a panick attack linked to the coming up of the feelings as I had short breathing and my beats started to be very intense and fast. The duration was less than a minute but quite unpleasant.
After a few months it happened again. It was again related to the feeling of the coming up, same duration of the symptoms (maybe 30 sec.), but this time I was in a better mood, not scared, so that i've been able to follow better what happened. I had difficult at breathing, like if my breathing capacity was decreased by 30-40% for about 30 seconds. Again, a short but not pleasant experience.
I think this effect is linked to the taking of shrooms on a empty stomach.
Im interest to know your thoughts especially of similar experiences.

Thank you

Edited by kirk_me (01/14/24 12:50 AM)

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 1
    #28620483 - 01/14/24 02:36 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I can’t remember ever having the difficulty with breathing on shrooms, but I do get it with coffee, although it lasts much longer than 30seconds.

If eating before your trip helps then I’d say make sure you have a decent meal before every trip from now on. In my experience it tends to make the trips more pleasant anyway.

Eating a decent dose of shrooms on an empty stomach can be a real shock to your system.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me]
    #28620554 - 01/14/24 06:14 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I've had a few similar experiences where I felt like my breathing was too shallow, usually during the peak, and I'd start doing some deep breathing exercises to help feel better. In the moment I kept thinking I was forgetting to breathe, but I was tripping pretty hard at the time so my perspective wasn't clear at all.

Some people report things like this from anxiety, could there be an element of that during the come-up that is causing this rather than the fungus? What do you think?

Maybe deep breathing exercises can help?

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 2
    #28620559 - 01/14/24 06:21 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I always wear my watch that measures my heart, respirations etc
Because the past I would trip on breathing and my watch showed me that everything was fine

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: loladoreen]
    #28620561 - 01/14/24 06:22 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

loladoreen said:
I always wear my watch that measures my heart, respirations etc
Because the past I would trip on breathing and my watch showed me that everything was fine



Genius.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 1
    #28620577 - 01/14/24 06:56 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Hey there! 

    Yeah I’m not sure if it’s the same thing either but you do as you said experience a heavier body load on mushrooms.  I don’t know about at the come up specifically but I absolutely feel weighed down somewhat during intense waves or the peak.  If I’m laying down sometimes I’ll find myself feeling the need to take deeper breaths.  As though something were weighing me down with a bit of pressure on my chest.  It’s never really thrown me off the experience mind you.  I would also recommend trying some breathing exercises if you should find yourself experiencing that again.  Be well friend!

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 1
    #28620578 - 01/14/24 06:56 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I’ve had similar issues with my breathing on shrooms and dmt. Very uncomfortable and distracting. I heard on the psychedelic salon recently that one of the guys just focuses on breathing in the way you would imagine the trees breathing and gently swaying with the wind. I’ll be damned…worked like a charm for me. Its so natural and easy. Hope this helps!

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: Goodlife0209] * 1
    #28620584 - 01/14/24 07:00 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I also try and keep one of those Vicks inhaler things handy. For some reason I always seem to feel a little stuffed up after ingesting mushrooms.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: Goodlife0209]
    #28620667 - 01/14/24 08:37 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Could this be a symptom of vasoconstriction?
Vessel’s carrying less blood resulting in less oxygen being carried throughout your body hence your breath not being as effective and creating the signals of shortness of breath?

You could try a natrual vasodilator like cacao tea 1-1.5ths before. This was a common practice in the Mazatec tradition.


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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 1
    #28620673 - 01/14/24 08:41 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Interesting
I suffer from allergies and notice that when I use shrooms my sinuses are clear.
Complete opposite of what others report.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28620710 - 01/14/24 09:13 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I would love that, lol. I feel like it always comes up at some point. It’s like I can still breathe a little… but feel as if I’m taking in less oxygen somehow. I used to try and control my breathing or meditate. But that whole thing with breathing with the trees really changed the way it felt. Took the pressure off. But I’m pretty suggestible, maybe that wouldn’t work for everyone.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me]
    #28620733 - 01/14/24 09:34 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

What a great way to slow it down.. breathing with the trees! I love that.

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Re: Difficult in breathing during the coming up [Re: kirk_me] * 1
    #28620747 - 01/14/24 09:50 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Vasoconstriction, allergies, and panic attacks can all cause shortness of breath.

Some people have spore allergies, it can be species specific too.  More rarely people can be allergic to fruit bodies of different fungus.  Some species have less body load (and less vasoconstriction).  Sclerotia for example have very mild body load.  And, no spores!

Taking a 24 hour allergy med prior to tripping would rule out allergies.

Panic attacks can show up even in good moods.  A physical event can cause a physiological cascade of feedback loops.  Body and mind both get worked up.  Smoking weed while on hallucinogenic drugs tends to do it for me.  The heart aggitation from the THC does it to me and the hallucinogens make me a bit more anxiety prone.  Maybe the body load from vasoconstriction plays a role for me too.


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