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OfflineEveryones-a-robot
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Some questions about current monotob best practices
    #28620231 - 01/13/24 08:42 PM (14 days, 11 hours ago)

I've been away from this hobby for more than 10 years. From searching the forums for recent posts, it looks like the general best practices for monotubs has changed quite a bit. I've attached a pic of my current setup.

Are the following things OK? Anything I should consider/change?

- Tubs were incubating for 4 or 5 days before I read that a lot of people are just immediately introducing fruiting conditions now. So I introduced fruiting conditions after reading that, before the tubs were fully colonized.
- Light is on a 12 on 12 off cycle.
- I don't intend to mist or fan unless I am addressing some clear, specific issue, like dry substrate.
- Is my light positioned OK? It's an LED bulb. Some ambient light also comes in the window, blinds closed but curtains open.

Thanks for your help!



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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28620278 - 01/13/24 09:03 PM (14 days, 10 hours ago)

I'd say it's looking good to me, the light doesn't have to be that far away but it shouldn't be a problem. They will receive plenty of light over 12 hours

Really clean setup btw

Best wishes on a great pinset!


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: HelloImBob]
    #28621705 - 01/15/24 03:04 AM (13 days, 4 hours ago)

Bump: I come seeking simple, basic, modern advice- and yet, not a wee Shroomery soul cares to lift me up. Tell me brothers: Is my crop doomed, or are my methods sound? Thanks :smile:


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot] * 1
    #28621708 - 01/15/24 03:18 AM (13 days, 4 hours ago)

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Everyones-a-robot said:
Bump: I come seeking simple, basic, modern advice- and yet, not a wee Shroomery soul cares to lift me up. Tell me brothers: Is my crop doomed, or are my methods sound? Thanks :smile:





your setup looks fine, without pictures of the substrate there is no telling if your crop is doomed or if your methods are sound..


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28622031 - 01/15/24 10:51 AM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

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Everyones-a-robot said:
Bump: I come seeking simple, basic, modern advice- and yet, not a wee Shroomery soul cares to lift me up. Tell me brothers: Is my crop doomed, or are my methods sound? Thanks :smile:



Why is the bottom of your tubs black?


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: normalperson]
    #28622234 - 01/15/24 02:07 PM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

I painted them black thinking it would help prevent side pinning. Seems like this is an outdated practice now, but I don't think it will hurt anything?


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot] * 1
    #28622353 - 01/15/24 04:03 PM (12 days, 15 hours ago)

Painting the bottom doesn't do anything for side pinning.  Side pinning comes from good environment in the side gaps that form as the cake shrinks.  People use plastic liners, because they will cling to the cake as the cake shrinks, keeping an air gap from forming, which will encourage fruits to come out on the top.


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: OldManRiver] * 1
    #28622389 - 01/15/24 04:43 PM (12 days, 15 hours ago)

Yeah that tracks with what I've learned recently about side pinning. Thank you.

Pic of the strongest tub today. Thinking about misting because of lack of droplets near the tub holes.



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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: OldManRiver]
    #28622393 - 01/15/24 04:47 PM (12 days, 15 hours ago)

My understanding is, light is not used as a pin trigger,
but as a way to tell the fruits which direction to grow.


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: flugelizor]
    #28624675 - 01/17/24 02:51 PM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

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My understanding is, light is not used as a pin trigger,
but as a way to tell the fruits which direction to grow.





That doesn't make much sense to me, logically they were designed to grow in the ground and when they reach the top of the soil receive light to start fruiting.

You can't say that mushrooms grow on the bottom of a sub where there is no light at all, or that mushrooms grow below the soil. Other than right below the soil where the mycelium might have reached out partially.

You never see mushrooms grow on the bottom of pf cakes either

Light has to play a part being a trigger for pinning


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28624715 - 01/17/24 03:26 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

looking good! light is definitely a pinning trigger


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28624730 - 01/17/24 03:43 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

i don't believe that lighting like OP pictured has additional benefits when it comes to pinning/growth. I have never used light in all of my years, ambient lighting from lights and the windows in the room provide "enough light"

from my experience fresh air exchange and surface moisture levels contribute to thicker pinsets and proper pin development, not lighting conditions

edit: whenever i do see mushrooms leaning in a specific direction, it is towards an FAE hole or filter patch. sometimes even pushing themselves through and outside


Edited by trip.momma (01/17/24 03:55 PM)


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: trip.momma]
    #28624747 - 01/17/24 03:50 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

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trip.momma said:
i don't believe that lighting like OP pictured has additional benefits when it comes to pinning/growth. I have never used light in all of my years, ambient lighting from lights and the windows in the room provide "enough light"

from my experience fresh air exchange and surface moisture levels contribute to thicker pinsets and proper pin development, not lighting conditions





Windows, the sun is a very powerful light even indirectly.

They appear to have a room dedicated to growing and the led bulb should be perfect for inducing pinning.


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28624750 - 01/17/24 03:53 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

The tub with the strongest spawn is coming along nicely. No pins yet. Should I soak up the yellow liquid? Tubs with weaker spawn are waaaaaaaay behind.

I did a G2G transfer with my strongest jar of spawn. Has anyone done that before for many generations? Single out the strongest, fastest colonizing jar from each batch, and keep doing G2G transfers until you've bred a super mycelium? Would be interesting to see what the mycelium is like after 20 cycles of that...



Edited by Everyones-a-robot (01/17/24 07:55 PM)


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28624769 - 01/17/24 04:02 PM (10 days, 15 hours ago)

People tend to either do that work on agar before grains or after by selecting a mushroom during the harvest.

You essentially have a multispore regardless of picking the healthiest jars

It's different than having an isolated set of genetics


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28624782 - 01/17/24 04:12 PM (10 days, 15 hours ago)

That looks great to me so far. You could use the corner of a paper towel to soak up one or two puddles, but I don't even see any that I would consider concerning (i actually don't see any?)


Edited by trip.momma (01/17/24 04:14 PM)


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: trip.momma]
    #28629346 - 01/21/24 01:20 AM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

Still no pins. What the heck!



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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28629363 - 01/21/24 01:47 AM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

How long ago were they actually spawned? The first post says they were incubated for 4 or 5 days and that was 7 days ago which is only 11 or 12 days total if that post was made the same day/night. That's totally normal if so. Depending on the strain they can take another week or so ime. Now if they're a month old I'd be getting some different genetics going personally. From the pictures everything looks good to go so just keep doing what you've been doing. Not much you can do anyway lol


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: WyoMX]
    #28629365 - 01/21/24 01:55 AM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

Spawned 1/7, so two weeks ago. Glad to hear everything is progressing as expected, thank you!


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Re: Some questions about current monotob best practices [Re: Everyones-a-robot]
    #28632691 - 01/23/24 10:14 PM (4 days, 9 hours ago)

Pins! First saw the biggest pin 2 days ago. I'm supposed to go out of town for a few days in 3 days... You think there's a chance I'll miss the optimal harvest window and end up with spores everywhere?



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