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Saxoch
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Fruit flies or bugs
#28617471 - 01/11/24 10:30 AM (16 days, 21 hours ago) |
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So I started a bulk too late in the season and someone said, “it will eventually grow”. So it’s 2.5 months in now and while mycelium is ready for fruiting, the whole container has small bigger than fruit fly like insects scurrying on the surface and now flying around my house. Is it safe to say if anything starts to pin, it will be eaten.
Chuck it?
Edited by Saxoch (01/11/24 12:06 PM)
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28617487 - 01/11/24 10:42 AM (16 days, 21 hours ago) |
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I'm no expert, but I wouldn't want to keep that myself. I'd rather just start new. I mean the theme of this whole mycology subject is sterility/clean/clear so that's where I'm coming from.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch] 1
#28617568 - 01/11/24 12:25 PM (16 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Toss it. 2.5 months is about 1.5 months longer than it should have taken
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: donrjuan]
#28617603 - 01/11/24 01:04 PM (16 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Will do. Concerned about it’s spawn bags too
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28617656 - 01/11/24 01:49 PM (16 days, 18 hours ago) |
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If the bags are closed they shouldn't be able to get through the filter.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Way]
#28617671 - 01/11/24 01:59 PM (16 days, 18 hours ago) |
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It's not a very clear picture but something doesn't look quite right to me and flies are NOT a good sign. They will get worse and worse and eventually start flying into your nostrils at night while you're trying to fall asleep. Get that out of there!
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elasticaltiger said: They will get worse and worse and eventually start flying into your nostrils at night while you're trying to fall asleep.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch] 1
#28617708 - 01/11/24 02:27 PM (16 days, 17 hours ago) |
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They're probably fungus gnats. They will eat the mycelium, deposit eggs (which results in maggots), and they can bring contaminants (the only time I've gotten trichoderma is when gnats got to my cakes).
Do a search on fungus gnats and you will see how they can be a problem. You will need to take measures to prevent future infestations with them.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: VP123]
#28617723 - 01/11/24 02:42 PM (16 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Get BTI and sprinkle it over your subs along with any plants in the house and vacuum any visible flies out of the tub, do that regularly, just don’t touch the sub with the vacuum.
Edited by 3.A.M (01/11/24 02:59 PM)
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Re: Fruit flies or fungus bugs [Re: Saxoch] 2
#28617728 - 01/11/24 02:47 PM (16 days, 17 hours ago) |
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If your substrate is that old with no fruits and u have fungus gnats, then something is definitely wrong.....
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: 3.A.M]
#28617735 - 01/11/24 02:54 PM (16 days, 17 hours ago) |
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3.A.M said: Get BTI and sprinkle it over your subs along with any plants in the house and vacuum any visible flies out of the tub, do that regularly, just don’t touch the sun with the vacuum.
I'm assuming you speak from experience here?
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Oh yeah, they’ve either infected the tub completely or they’re feeding on contamination but that tub is gone, my previous advice is definitely for future grows.
And yeeeaaah, lots and lots of experience ): live in a tropical area, they’re never ending everywhere, know a lot of people that don’t even bother growing indoor plants, you can literally watch clouds of them batting against the windows after rain.
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Re: Fruit flies or fungus bugs [Re: 3.A.M] 1
#28617934 - 01/11/24 06:14 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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blizzard in the PNW now. my bags fully got white but didn't do bulk because of the cold. now those are filling with condensation water and look crappy
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Re: Fruit flies or fungus bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28617941 - 01/11/24 06:17 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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That first tub is straight up mold. Start again.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Way]
#28617951 - 01/11/24 06:21 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Way said: If the bags are closed they shouldn't be able to get through the filter.
You say that but i found two live fruit flies in a sealed petri dish I forgot about. They had to get in by laying eggs and their larvae wiggling through the folds. It was insane, double wrapped, cling film petris and there was honestly two fruit flies flying around in there. I did let them go outside, I'm not a monster. I've also had them wick in through poor filters before into grain jars. Those fuckers are so good at surviving. They breed in over wet houseplant soil, and around taps/faucets and drain holes.
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3.A.M said: Get BTI and sprinkle it over your subs along with any plants in the house and vacuum any visible flies out of the tub, do that regularly, just don’t touch the sub with the vacuum.
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Way said: If the bags are closed they shouldn't be able to get through the filter.
You say that but i found two live fruit flies in a sealed petri dish I forgot about. They had to get in by laying eggs and their larvae wiggling through the folds. It was insane, double wrapped, cling film petris and there was honestly two fruit flies flying around in there. I did let them go outside, I'm not a monster. I've also had them wick in through poor filters before into grain jars. Those fuckers are so good at surviving. They breed in over wet houseplant soil, and around taps/faucets and drain holes.
Fungus gnats suck i agree lol.... micropore tape is the way tho. idk how they got through i can't explain that. But i trapped a dub tub of them and watched the cycle... fuckers are resilient. ALSO NOTHING I DID OUTSIDE could kill all of them lol. I did a lot.... They died when everything was dead lol. Nuke option. If you get them that bad in a tub I say it's over... but you must seal future tubs/ projects with micropore tape. It worked fine to protect the rest of my tubs.
100% from reports of others micropore is not foolproof , but It at least helps lol.
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/11/24 07:36 PM)
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they don't germinate themselves within the tub? it's in the garbage. i'll start up again end of feb.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28618225 - 01/12/24 12:23 AM (16 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Yeah, I forgot about tape, masking tape around the lid and micropore holes, you can also bti spray your sub, hopefully they’ll spread it everywhere and kill themselves, I also tape fly screen gaps and cleaned up rotten leaves etc from around the house, it all helps but I’ve got them back again now ):
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: 3.A.M]
#28618387 - 01/12/24 07:02 AM (16 days, 58 minutes ago) |
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LadysKnight said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26721635#26721635
Yeah my tubs have been kicking off this past week & the gnats are back also..
Do you spray the peppermint essential oil on your substrate? or just in the air around your tubs?
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: stockw]
#28618396 - 01/12/24 07:16 AM (16 days, 43 minutes ago) |
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One drop of real peppermint oil in the regular mister. Spray anywhere you don't want to see bugs. Fine on shrooms/sub/jars/tubs/houseplants
The stronger version works for mice
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Only essential oil I've got to hand is tea tree, wondering if that'll work..
Cool thanks for the info I'll give it a try.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: stockw]
#28618409 - 01/12/24 07:30 AM (16 days, 29 minutes ago) |
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Tea tree is a whole different animal. One drop of tea tree applied to a 100lb dog's skin will cause paralysis.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28619640 - 01/13/24 11:20 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago) |
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I expect it is indeed so that you can get the eggs for free with you coco coir. In certain places on the internet people report this happening. With the expectancy it was egged during storage in warehouse, or something.
You inspired me! I will do an experiment starting next week with some differing variables, to find out whether my 3 kinds of coir have fruit flies in them. And whether my pasteurising kills them. In my current grow I found some fruit flies. Or gnats. I think fruit flies though. 3 or so (that I saw and RIP-ped with alcohol spray). Not sure where they came from. Can well be from somewhere else in the house!
googled: how long does it take for gnats eggs to hatch 4 to 6 days Fungus gnats go through complete metamorphosis (egg, larva, pupa, adult) and reproduce in moist, shaded areas within decaying matter. One generation takes about 4 weeks. Mated females lay 00 to 200 microscopic eggs. Eggs are oval, smooth, shiny white and semi-transparent, and hatch in 4 to 6 days.
googled: how long does it take for fruit fly eggs to hatch 12 hours Female fruit flies lay approximately 400 eggs, about five at a time. The eggs hatch into larvae after only 12 hours. The larvae then grow for about four days, before pupating for about five days, to emerge as an adult fruit fly. The females begin breeding after only two days.
googled: How long do fruit flies live: 40-50 days Despite the popular myth that fruit flies only live 24 hours, the average lifespan of a fruit fly is to 40-50 days under ideal conditions. During that time, female fruit flies can lay several batches of eggs, allowing the fruit fly population in a home to grow quickly.
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LadysKnight said: One drop of real peppermint oil in the regular mister. Spray anywhere you don't want to see bugs. Fine on shrooms/sub/jars/tubs/houseplants
The stronger version works for mice
Fungus gnats and fruit flies are different. My fungus gnats must of been mutants. They Lived through everything lol. *the outside ones*. It took weeks to even do dents and by the time I killed them all everything was dead anyways lol.
I honestly have some Strong bugs a lot of bugs live through things they shouldn't lol. I had a war with carpet beetles once lol.
damp surfaces , they reproduce so fast.
BUGS SO FUN>>>> My house has never been more sealed and clean since lol
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/13/24 12:07 PM)
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Dog licked some tea tree i put on a henna tattoo he lived.
Micropore tape for me in the spring for grow time. Tired of this winter crap
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: Saxoch]
#28619728 - 01/13/24 12:27 PM (14 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Fungus gnats suck they can live in houseplant soil too if you have any of those you can use pesticide on the soil or diatomaceous earth, once they get into your substrate your screwed.
Or by the time you notice them they have already colonized your substrate as well
They aren't easy to kill and they not only eat it they contaminate it.
Plus yeah I would be worried about the length of time on that tub regardless
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: cybork]
#28636361 - 01/27/24 12:31 AM (1 day, 7 hours ago) |
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Going a bit off topic here, but I wanted to share i started a mini experiment, with 3 kinds of coco coir.
1A: brick brand 1, only cold water added. 2A: brick brand 2, only cold water added. 3A: ready bag, only a very little bit water added.
New insights also let me add a two sided sticky tape in 2A; if there is any bug flying around, I hope I will see it on there instead of hiding in the soil.
Edit: the containers have only coir in them, and no spawn. And they are pretty tightly sealed,so no little entrance holes.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: cybork]
#28636389 - 01/27/24 01:44 AM (1 day, 6 hours ago) |
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Don’t let that sticky mat touch your sub or let condensation run down off it, I had contam spread out directly from them and ruin about 6 tubs, ended up just keeping them on the outside.
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Re: Fruit flies or bugs [Re: 3.A.M]
#28636396 - 01/27/24 02:52 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago) |
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Ah, right. I forgot to mention it is 100% coir. No spawn added. Just for the sake of check on fly / mosquito eggs.
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