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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28608374 - 01/03/24 11:47 AM (25 days, 3 minutes ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Autmn olive is pretty invasive. We don't have any in my area, and I wouldn't want to be the one that got all that mess started around here, but if it's already everywhere where you are, then why not.
Goumis and Seaberries are similar, but not nearly as invasive.
I feel you man, and yes, it is all over the place here and I mean everywhere!
I actually didn't know just how invasive it was until I really started reading.
Sorry for suggesting that to you my man!
No worries. It's something I think should be considered, at least. I'd like to have some alder buckthorn, but it's invasive, destructive, and causing a lot of problem in some areas, so I crossed that one off the list. Carolina buckthorn may be as good or nearly as good, and is native to my area, so I went with that, instead.
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LogicaL Chaos said: The Ethics of Horticulture 
We got a huge blackberry problem in Oregon. Its everywhere.
I dunno if I'd call it a problem, but we got a lot of wild blackberry here. I think it's native, tho? It's gonna be a problem for me, because it's almost sure to creep into my permaculture system, and I just don't want all those thorns getting in there. I'll probably give enough space between the fence and the trees to get a couple passes of the mower, and I guess just spray down the fence every couple of years to keep down the thorny invaders.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28608382 - 01/03/24 11:52 AM (24 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Right on man!
Carolina buckthorn is a very attractive tree, and it grows here. I'll have to take some cuttings next time I see it for my yard as well
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28608387 - 01/03/24 11:55 AM (24 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Also, I just ordered some Zizyphus spinosa (Sour Jujube) seed. I've been on the waitlist for months, and they just came in. They make good rootstock for Zizyphus jujuba. If I can get them going, I have found a source for Kongfucui jujube scions, which don't seem to be available as plants yet. They're supposed to be some great new variety developed in New Mexico a few years ago. I'll probably do a Li and a Lang too, for comparison, and pollination.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28608402 - 01/03/24 12:15 PM (24 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Also, I just ordered some Zizyphus spinosa (Sour Jujube) seed. I've been on the waitlist for months, and they just came in. They make good rootstock for Zizyphus jujuba. If I can get them going, I have found a source for Kongfucui jujube scions, which don't seem to be available as plants yet. They're supposed to be some great new variety developed in New Mexico a few years ago. I'll probably do a Li and a Lang too, for comparison, and pollination.
Man, you really are going all out!
What is your grow zone by the way?
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
#28608949 - 01/03/24 09:07 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I'm in Zone 7a.
Mulberry, Juneberry, and Medlar are out. The nursery I was getting them from ran out of mulberry, and it wasn't worth the shipping on just the other 2. I'll try again next November. I think I got enough going on.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28608966 - 01/03/24 09:36 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Yeah, i would build a chicken wire enclosure if you really want to grow blackberries on your property. They are a pain to deal with but those delicious plentiful berries thou....
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28609067 - 01/04/24 02:50 AM (24 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I'm in Zone 7a.
Mulberry, Juneberry, and Medlar are out. The nursery I was getting them from ran out of mulberry, and it wasn't worth the shipping on just the other 2. I'll try again next November. I think I got enough going on.
I'm right with you on the zone. Well I'm 7b, but same difference basically.
You'd be amazed on how many tropicls that can be grown in the ground in our area and come back every year with absolutely no protection!
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77] 1
#28609207 - 01/04/24 07:27 AM (24 days, 4 hours ago) |
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I'm gonna baby the figs for the first two years by covering them in the winter. After that, mulch in winter and take off mulch in spring and fertillize. Other than that, they're on their own. I can't have a yard full of high maintenance plants.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#28609424 - 01/04/24 12:04 PM (23 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Yeah, I never have covered or mulched mine. Not sure that it would even do any good. They always die and come back from the roots every season, topping out at seven or eight feet, much too tall to cover.
I thought that maybe we wouldn't get below the 20's for lows this season but I looked ahead and we have some teens
So, bye bye fig trees 
I'm going tot take mad cuttings, before those teens hit though!
Actually, I'm going to go do it right now!
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
#28609778 - 01/04/24 06:11 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago) |
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If you're sure about the varieties, you can sell the cuttings on etsy or figbid.
how much fruit do you normally get from a tree that was killed to the ground over winter? That Ross guy grows some super dense, like 3-4 feet apart, which is way too close if they aren't dying back, but works if they do.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28610099 - 01/05/24 03:30 AM (23 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: If you're sure about the varieties, you can sell the cuttings on etsy or figbid.
how much fruit do you normally get from a tree that was killed to the ground over winter? That Ross guy grows some super dense, like 3-4 feet apart, which is way too close if they aren't dying back, but works if they do.
I have a mission, some olympians, and two others that I totally can not remember for the life of me. My trees top out at about seven or eight feet, all attained from a single growing season. But, the one year that we had a really mild winter, when they did not die back, I got about ten feet on my mission. And the spread is about five feet or so.
I get so much fruit from them all, that I can actually go out every morning and pick enough to keep a small family very happy.
I'll have to shoot you some pics this spring when they start coming out, and some more when they are full of fruit 
I never knew about fig bid, but I'm checking it out now, thanks a lot!!!
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77] 1
#28611471 - 01/06/24 09:19 AM (22 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Also figaholics has their big annual cuttings sale, which should be coming up, soon.
https://www.figaholics.com/cuttings.htm
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#28611698 - 01/06/24 12:41 PM (21 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Also figaholics has their big annual cuttings sale, which should be coming up, soon.
https://www.figaholics.com/cuttings.htm
WOW, so many varieties! I'm in heaven!
I never knew these sites even existed.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28612360 - 01/06/24 09:16 PM (21 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Added Illinois Bundleflower seeds.
You can never have to many perennial legumes.
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#28612535 - 01/07/24 02:53 AM (21 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Ah, those grow wild all over here!
Pretty unique plant
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
#28615966 - 01/10/24 04:20 AM (18 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Well, this is the end of all my fig trees
I'm going to go hack as many big branches off that I can before that happens.
It's not even supposed to be this remotely cold here, not even in January!
Alaska has come to my neck of the woods, and I do not like it

On a side note, that big old five foot long branch that I took, is pushing out new buds and has roots!
I'm going to grow lots of potted figs and bring them in for the winter next season, so I can get a head start.
Oh wait! I'm acting lie this is the fig thread in the garden
My bad brother
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
#28616150 - 01/10/24 09:32 AM (18 days, 2 hours ago) |
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We're getting something similar here. I'm bringing the potted figs in and out depending on the weather so they don't get too cold and die, or come out of dormancy, and can't go outside for the season until May. I'd like to have them out by March.
The in-ground figs have banana boxes full of mostly dead sorghum and corn stalks and leaves over them, covered in plastic. I probably ought to add some mulch, too.
Had big wind come through yesterday, and blew over the cages I had put over two of the three hazelnuts because I forgot to staple them down. It bent them over, but didn't break or up root them, so maybe they're ok. I stomped the soil back down around them, and it was the consistency of thick oatmeal because of all the rain. I have concerns about drainage.
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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said: We're getting something similar here. I'm bringing the potted figs in and out depending on the weather so they don't get too cold and die, or come out of dormancy, and can't go outside for the season until May. I'd like to have them out by March.
The in-ground figs have banana boxes full of mostly dead sorghum and corn stalks and leaves over them, covered in plastic. I probably ought to add some mulch, too.
Had big wind come through yesterday, and blew over the cages I had put over two of the three hazelnuts because I forgot to staple them down. It bent them over, but didn't break or up root them, so maybe they're ok. I stomped the soil back down around them, and it was the consistency of thick oatmeal because of all the rain. I have concerns about drainage.
You'll be alright man
But yes, I'd do like said and bring in all the potted ones. They will surely perish if you dont.
I gotta now bring in all my plant out of the shed and that will be one daunting task! Every square inch of my house is already covered in even more plants 
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#28620954 - 01/14/24 12:29 PM (13 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Well, I took some cutting before all my trees finally bit the dust 
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#28621852 - 01/15/24 08:11 AM (13 days, 3 hours ago) |
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This is a great project man, commenting to keep an eye on developments.
Have you thought about Mychorrized trees at all? Inoculated saplings can bring a wealth of benefits to your landscape ecologically, plus you get some nice mushrooms down the line.
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