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What have you integrated from tripping? 1
#28615380 - 01/09/24 03:00 PM (18 days, 17 hours ago) |
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And what helped you integrate that?
There are so many people out there promoting integration, yet very few seem to be talking about specifics.
I'm curious what have you seen or learned from your trips, and what methods did you use to integrate those lessons?
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 2
#28615492 - 01/09/24 04:54 PM (18 days, 15 hours ago) |
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I've asked myself this question too but I don't think I've ever fully understood what people mean by it. When I come down I simply forget, my trips become hidden memories that I can sometimes catch a glimpse of in certain states of mind such as when I'm falling asleep, immersing myself in music I've used to trip in the past and of course when I'm tripping again. My guess is integrating means that what you've learned and seen changes the very essence of who you are, which definitely has happened to me but it's not something I did selectively or by choice. I saw what I saw and at that moment it became my truth, there is no going back.
Maybe it's like... If you have a negative "core belief" about yourself it cascades downwards into action which causes you to treat your life and others badly. If a trip convinces you that the core belief isn't true, the entire driving mechanism behind what you think and do changes and that way guides your life to a better direction. For this reason, psychedelics might be best left into the realm of professional therapy after all. At the very least after all this time I truly understand why people advise caution with these substances. Change for the better isn't guaranteed, only change is. Still, if I look back to my discovery of mushrooms as a crossroads in time, I think I would choose this road every time. It's magic.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Turvenuija]
#28615606 - 01/09/24 06:21 PM (18 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Turvenuija said: Change for the better isn't guaranteed.
Many people would struggle to teach themselves basic mathematics when sober, yet somehow believe that they can psychologically self diagnosis, or god forbid diagnosis others, because they have taken a psychedelic. It is possible the the real benefits for most users of psychedelics are physical in nature, which can lead to positive psychological outcomes.
Everyone should be aware of the suggestibility qualities of psychedelics, it is easy to attach meaning where there is none. This is seen in a long line of woo from the sixties to current day.
I have zero doubts that some people can have profound personal insight that can lead to life changing positive outcomes. The sober person has to enact change to make that happen though, the integration. In real life, I have not seen much of this in action and I grew up in a social circle that did not blink at drug use.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28615646 - 01/09/24 07:20 PM (18 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Kiwi89 said: The sober person has to enact change to make that happen though, the integration. In real life, I have not seen much of this in action
Oh definitely, I've tried and in the beginning I had lots of temporary success but it never lasts. I always slip back into my default state and I know I can be better. Just, at this point after going through this up and down loop so many times I've learned not to care anymore. Life is ups and downs so I just go along with it, finding my joy where I can get it. I can't tell whether that's healthy or not, maybe there is a better way still.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Kiwi89] 5
#28615650 - 01/09/24 07:22 PM (18 days, 13 hours ago) |
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I don't think that the integration from tripping is a learning process, but more of a rebuilding process.
When we trip we lose so much. We lose rational thought, we lose our sense of self, our sense of reality and can sometimes rerender our usual connections with perceived spirituality.
To me reintegration is putting all of that back together. Reregistering our sense of self and the thought processes that create our default mode. A lot of the time false negative beliefs can get removed in this process, but other times not. It's a difficult process to put into words and even when you're going through the process it's difficult to explain really.
I've found that when I've done back to back trips over months long periods that the reintegration period had also taken months to complete. But it's not really something I could tell that was happening at the time, just with 20/20 hindsight.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Northerner]
#28615654 - 01/09/24 07:30 PM (18 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: I don't think that the integration from tripping is a learning process, but more of a rebuilding process.
When we trip we lose so much. We lose rational thought, we lose our sense of self, our sense of reality and can sometimes rerender our usual connections with perceived spirituality.
To me reintegration is putting all of that back together. Reregistering our sense of self and the thought processes that create our default mode. A lot of the time false negative beliefs can get removed in this process, but other times not. It's a difficult process to put into words and even when you're going through the process it's difficult to explain really.
I've found that when I've done back to back trips over months long periods that the reintegration period had also taken months to complete. But it's not really something I could tell that was happening at the time, just with 20/20 hindsight.
does this feel destabilizing for you at all, if so is there anything that helps you stay grounded?
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 2
#28615660 - 01/09/24 07:36 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Well initially it's destabilising, tripping can be pure madness. I don't push it anywhere near as hard as I used to either. I also take a lot of pleasure from the experience, so there's a crossover there.
In many ways I wish I could go deep without the payback of having to put it all back together, but in other ways I'm glad for the shakeup. It keeps me sane. Stops me becoming one of "them", those who choose to believe their illusions without doubt.
For me the only thing that really helps with integration is time. It's like a journeyman's course in self philosophy.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Northerner]
#28615666 - 01/09/24 07:45 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Do you believe your illusions while leaving room for doubt? Just like with general well being I go through phases of madness where I believe all sorts of metaphysical garbo I've experienced on trips and then choose not to. I can't make up my mind on that.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Turvenuija] 3
#28615677 - 01/09/24 07:58 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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I try to treat all of my beliefs as illusions. It's a hard thing to do, but even harder to deal with self disappointment when I discover that beliefs I held as true were simply not, they were in fact illusions.
Separating belief and truth and illusion from each other is a great challenge for humans. We are such emotional and instinctual creatures.
I also once considered myself a spiritual person, but psychedelics have drummed that out of me. I really don't know anymore, I can see life and the universe the way it is interconnected, but I cannot tell why. It just is. I don't have to believe though, I can just look and see. Though whether I can trust my perceptions just further deepens the paradox.
Right now I'm integrating from an ass kicking of a trip recently. It's left me questioning myself again, who I am as a family member, who I am in my career, who I am as a Shroomery member too. I've done this enough times to know the process is happening, but it's not like I have control. It's doesn't feel like that at all.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Northerner] 1
#28615696 - 01/09/24 08:19 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Interesting to hear psychs can turn people away from spirituality as well. I used to be the edgy, materialist and atheist type as a teen but after shrooms all that went out the window, something I never thought possible. Now no explanation for life and the universe is more likely or outlandish than another, just things I have seen personally and thus instinctively believe more. All I have is a whole bunch of uncertainty and a nagging feeling that reality isn't what I think it is or what I've been told it is. The most horrifying possibility is that the universe is precisely what I was taught and I've been led astray by my own illusions. It's a lonely state of being because I can't confide in anyone IRL out of fear of abandonment or being seen as too weird, no one I know could even begin to understand what I'm babbling on about.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Turvenuija]
#28615702 - 01/09/24 08:28 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Pretty darn sure that whoever taught you what the universe is either made that shit up or was taught it by someone up the line who made it up. 
Not having tripping type friends irl can be hard hey, I've been through periods like that. Thank the universe, or just Ythan, for Shroomery to help get through that.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 2
#28615709 - 01/09/24 08:41 PM (18 days, 11 hours ago) |
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@ OP:

*still processing*
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Northerner]
#28615763 - 01/09/24 09:43 PM (18 days, 10 hours ago) |
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I mean no specific person told me what the universe is, just the general science oriented thinking of the society I happened to be born into and raised with. So in essence you're right. That explanation feels far more incomplete or possibly wrong than it ever did.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Turvenuija]
#28615767 - 01/09/24 09:47 PM (18 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: Separating belief and truth and illusion from each other is a great challenge for humans. We are such emotional and instinctual creatures.
I believe that this part of the reason that we can get a bit lost on psychedelics. Life can be challenging, blur the lines with a reality shattering substance and you can make things extremely confusing.
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Turvenuija said: All I have is a whole bunch of uncertainty and a nagging feeling that reality isn't what I think it is or what I've been told it is.
There is nothing wrong with these feelings. How do you think religions were created, this is why people believe in aliens and other wild a wacky things. You are human you are having human thoughts and feelings. Throughout history men and woman have struggled with just these thoughts and have come to many different conclusions. Just do not start thinking you have to start throwing virgins into volcanoes to appease the creators of the matrix.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Kiwi89] 1
#28615825 - 01/09/24 10:45 PM (18 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Thanks, I think I needed to hear that. About the virgins, can I toss just one just in case? 
Oh and OP sorry for hijacking the thread things got derailed pretty quick
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#28615826 - 01/09/24 10:46 PM (18 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Integration will be different for everyone depending on what your goals are. I’ve had larger goals from practical things like managing anger, anxiety and depression to more lofty ideas like getting in tune with my primal self and ancestors.
I hope to empty myself and have space for new ways of being. There are always new things that crop up too.
My most successful integration has been simple acts like being more present and spending more time with loved ones. Though these acts better-ness has followed.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Northerner]
#28615860 - 01/09/24 11:36 PM (18 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 1
#28616157 - 01/10/24 09:38 AM (17 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I am exploring this more myself as I get deeper into this "scene".
Mysticism has been the primary vehicle for me, or rather it emerged for me as useful spontaneously over a year ago. I've found at lower doses I somehow can have hours of bliss with a certain meditation strategy that often can turn into visions -- experience without meditation otherwise would just be a nice high. So, this has really set me on a journey as one time I emerged from a vision different.
This morning I woke up with this question in mind as I do have decent recall and magic shrooms turn out to be better teachers than cannabis with the approach that I discovered (or did it discover me).
I'm curious if others are able to relate, but last night I had a mini-dose, which if I were just sitting on the couch is just a sublime high with some visual effects. However, if I immerse myself into a meditative state its, more or less, ecstatic.
Any who, I was guided in that state into a sort of surrender where I am the bliss. I also was shown how to witness and be the state. Curiously "they" are keen on showing me something more, but there's a gateway in ecstatic experience that I have found repeatedly can be taken -- going beyond it. Emerging beyond it is a finer state of bliss that lacks intensity, but somehow is more fulfilling?
And then I get "sucked" back into prior state and rinse and repeat. "They" point out the role attachment is playing while in these states, which is the strangest thing to me. Why is that happening and why am I not just gorked out on the bliss that's available? And what is it that is actually beyond?
At this same dose I've seen that the human personality is one layer of emergence for whatever I / we fundamentally are beneath it. And even been encouraged to bring that fundamental quality through the personality while I am here. It's far out man. I have no idea.
Any who, I feel a bit like Ram Dass where I find myself seeking both further experiences to learn from (growing now so will have a stockpile to play with), but also I am increasingly becoming convinced I can achieve these things outside of the psychedelic experience within a sober meditative context.
I do not know, but I wonder...
And then I have to get back to work after all of that beauty. Ugh, western civilization is undoubtedly ill suited for all of this as I am also finding materialism, etc. more of a bane than a boon of existence.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: skylaiar] 1
#28616180 - 01/10/24 10:06 AM (17 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: skylaiar] 2
#28617833 - 01/11/24 04:58 PM (16 days, 15 hours ago) |
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skylaiar said:And then I have to get back to work after all of that beauty. Ugh, western civilization is undoubtedly ill suited for all of this as I am also finding materialism, etc. more of a bane than a boon of existence.
Aye, it can be dog shit but it makes me think (I can't track it down RN) of a Ram D story where a guy calls in to 'Talk Radio from the Heart' or something and the caller is all: "I feel so much of a calling to dharmic life. I want to meditate, to visit Holy places- I want to learn what is practical from these teachings- but I have so many responsibilities tethering me to the city! How can I leave that all behind to truly experience dharma?" Ram Dass said something along the lines of "You're not going to like this, but the city with all of it's displeasures, distractions etc etc is exactly where you SHOULD be in order to learn. What are you going to find in a cave that can be useful to your life in the city? "
Know what I mean? Something about learning to ride the wave, because there WILL be a wave, as opposed to seeking a waveless life. If you can't see the beauty, fucking MAKE the beauty. Turn bane to boon, the philosphers stone baaaabaay! See also: Grist for the Mill, and

As for my view on integration from psychedelics, I feel like the best integration (beside what Northerner was saying about REintegration) is taking the feelings or thoughts out of the abstract, and into the realm of action. In 2021 when I was blasting a lot more LSD, I was tripping lids & watched this environmental documentary with my Gf. It was so fucked, and I felt like I got MK Ultra'd off the footage of kids digging the metal out of piles of E-waste and breathing in the fumes for fractions of a cent or whatever pittance they were making, if anything at all. Then all the rough scenes of animal and plant life suffering because of our addiction to comfort and convenience. Stuff that our influence is more of a deteriment to by & large. 'Endlings' and all that. Somehow more disturbing, were the ways the natural world learns to cope with our wanton fuckery by evolving in some way to the shit we put it through. I felt it to my core beyond my core, I felt like it was happening to me. Because in a way it was. Got so frustrated, animated, pacing about the living room toking my vape and I was like "I'M GONNA START WEIGHING HOW MUCH PLASTIC WE USE EVERY WEEK AND PICK IT UP FROM THE BEACH." I didn't do that, exactly, but I did start to go out at least once a week and pick up as much shit as I could along the river, the coast etc. Some weeks I only get one bag and feel almost dissapointed, but the feeling of injustice that was the abstract during the trip is still just as strong and keeps me doing it- the realm of action. After the first few times, it actually got really fun- the brain seems to like the pattern recognition or something and getting out in nature with good music in your ears and dank nugs in your lungs with a clear goal in mind has paid absolute dividends for my mental health and self esteem- and I'll tell you what, getting high as fuck and walking back home for some food with some bags of rubbish you can barely carry is fucking beaut.
 Whether or not the waste ends up anywhere better is something I'll hopefully be able to discern more in the future, but for the time being there's far reaching benefits in going to my favourite tripping spots and seeing there's fuck all there that's not meant to be.
In a similar vein, watching 'Shallow Hal' on shrooms a few year back and getting big downloads about 'background people' and the unceremonious way those who REALLY keep our society running are treated, done a number on more of the selfishness embedded into me by being raised in this Western 'cult of the self' way. Soon after, I felt drawn toward a local charity and spontainously applied for a role which I love still. Without psychedelics, and their wonderful, horrifying and often confusing messages that take some real digging to get the internal alchemical change happening, I feel my own bullshit would have very likely done what it usually does- keep me passive, guilty ridden and depressed. Not that I'm not still passive, guilt ridden and depressed lol.
Sometimes, of course, I REALLY get the wrong end of the stick and end up having to do what Northerner said and REintegrate some of the good stuff that has been pushed away by whatever weird 'lesson' the trip imparted this time, because sometimes their either isn't one or it's not the right time. Generally speaking though, it's no harm no foul because psychs seem to steer my life toward unity and the betterment of the lives of those I love, even if the form that takes seems whack to my built up sense of self. Self consciousness tells me to add, that if anyone sees this post as 'virtue signalling' or sanctimonious and all that of me being a good boy- fuckin sukkacack, man. By all means, keep throwing your fucking Elfbars on the street and making cool cynical observations about the futility of doing stuff. It's your right after all, but you don't have to. I'm still mostly monkey too, I want to eat stuff and if I can't eat it I very likely want to fuck it- if I can do both? What bliss.🍑 I want to make my brain see funny shapes, I want some sort of control, some status or acceptance from the rest of the apes, even if I'd sooner deny it.
TLDR: what have I integrated from tripping? I suppose the main one is what I want and what I need are rarely the same thing- sometimes poles apart- and my addiction to false comfort is only really strong on the first few layers. We are really more malliable than we give ourselves credit for- not always for the better, mind you- but as ugly as the actions may need to be, there's usually choice.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Lithop] 1
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^I appreciate your post, Lithop. I too, have become much less of a "consumerist" and comfort addict. I've become tougher, much better able to deal with challenges and meet them head-on knowing that good will eventually come from them (just like learning from a bad trip). Especially regarding interpersonal conflict with people close to me. Also, I'm pretty minimalist these days as I've learned to appreciate very simple things, like the glow of energy in my body.
My most uplifting experiences and radical changes came early in my tripping, in my early 20s. At that time I had a lot of self-loathing, nothing I did was ever good enough to appease my endless inner-persecutor. I hated my body, felt my mind was broken. Mushrooms opened my heart and showed me what "self-love" and self-acceptance truly means, and taught me how to appreciate the present moment and be more spontaneous. These were lasting changes. I became a Phish-head, went to shows and danced my ass off, transcended my self-consciousness, realized that we take ourselves too seriously. These changes have lasted and are continually self-reinforcing and deepening as I age (and continue to TRIP MORE!!! lol).
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Also: after trips, I read a lot of good stuff. Learned about attachment theory. Learned about archetypes, shadow work, healing. Got deep into spirituality, and found some very interesting channeled works, including the Pathwork Lectures and A Course in Miracles (which have merit within the content whether or not one believes they came through a person from some kind of disincarnate consciousness).
Learned yoga, went on a yoga retreat. Learned qigong. Body work, the somatics of EMBODYING the lessons learned from trips. The integration has been a trip in itself, in many ways more rich than the substance-induced ones.
Oh, and: I wrote detailed trip reports of each trip, the day after the experience, in a journal I have. Forgot about this part, but I consider it essential.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom]
#28617922 - 01/11/24 06:05 PM (16 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I know it isn't the same, but one of the things I integrate from my experiences is the beauty of visual effects, which I integrate into my art. Click on my Avatar for an example of an attempt to represent the visual transformation effect where objects transform into one another.
I'm not a skilled artist but I do enjoy the act of creating art and I've found psychedelics to be inspiring.
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To me it’s as simple as paying attention to the way I think and feel on psychedelics. Certain things on different levels will stand out good or bad. Take note. Remember while living life.
We can change a lot as people. Ourselves and our life. I’ve personally changed both in different ways over the years. I’m always in my head and doing my best to guide my way through life. True to my values and standards and living my life on my terms. Doing my best not to live life mindlessly. Doing what most people do because that’s what most people do. It helps guide me.
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Blue Cthulhu said: ^I appreciate your post, Lithop.
Likewise man, I see a lot of crossover- apart from the bit where you transcend your self consciousness. Teach me your ways!
(if I have to listen to Phish, I'll keep my neuroses JK )
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Blue Cthulhu said: Oh, and: I wrote detailed trip reports of each trip, the day after the experience, in a journal I have. Forgot about this part, but I consider it essential.
Yeah, heavily agree! Not just trip journals, but writing a brutally honest, no bullshit diary (at your highs and lows) and reviewing it every now & again is really wild. Something hits hard about seeing yourself writing about wanting to make the same changes again... And again... And again, over months or even years. If you struggle with self loathing and all that, try and imagine your friend wrote it and consider what help you might offer them. Empathy comes a lot easier than self love for many of us and that's fuckin rough, IMO.

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I like it, the more I look at the the clearer I see each layer.
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Freedom said: I'm curious what have you seen or learned from your trips, and what methods did you use to integrate those lessons?
There is a lot of helpful stuff in this thread I reckon, all of you have casually posted really insightful stuff and it's appreciated. Recurring theme seems the fact you have to pay attention. To your actions and the resultant reactions, from something as simple as "Man, I gotta eat healthier & excersise more so I don't feel as heavy on trips!" to "I ought to stop passively manipulating the people around me so I get what I think I want." and the whole spectrum in between. So one method is: pay attention, HONEST attention. Be present. Another, challange your own beliefs- if you were that 'right' to begin with, why isn't your life going the way you would like? Maybe a bit reductionist, but it feels genuine.:edit: Breathing room, give yourself time to really consider what you think you're learning and try to view it from different viewpoints. Don't be tricked into thinking the louder the message the more valid its content. TLDR again: integration is about thinking about stuff and doing stuff, plus the balance between the two.

I was gonna go into LIFE as the school, PSYCHS as the lesson and INTEGRATION as the homework. The bits are there, self assembly required.
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What’s the rent like on one of those room’s though?
I imagine it’s ….high. 

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Something else comes to mind. For people involved in self work the thought pattern is often “what am I doing that is holding me back, what can I change about myself to have better out comes, etc etc”
Always putting the blame back on ourselves which is essential for self reliance and taking action for ourselves, and keeping the responsibility in our own hands. However there are times that this thinking it’s helpful, ok, and downright not the truth.
I sometimes meditate on: I’ve carefully made the best decisions I could when I did and took the proper action and still the outcome was not what I hoped for. By no fault of my own, things just haven’t worked out, and that’s ok.
In the words of Ram Dass I can still use all these situations for spiritual transformation. It’s all grist for the mill.
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How dare you point that nuance out, Chuckles. 
Look, everything you see. Everywhere you look. Any & All That, All This?
’Tis about me, Okay? 
So, like, don’t you dare try and change the subject on ME.. 

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CHUCK.HNTR said: I sometimes meditate on: I’ve carefully made the best decisions I could when I did and took the proper action and still the outcome was not what I hoped for. By no fault of my own, things just haven’t worked out, and that’s ok.
 Wait. We're..... We're allowed to just do that?
:edit: that was tongue in cheek, you make a valuable point .
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#28621449 - 01/14/24 07:55 PM (13 days, 12 hours ago) |
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I only took mushrooms once in my life, exactly one year ago.
The shortest description i can make is this :
There always was inside of me this deep longing, ardent desire for order. I will only take oder in my house ( clean rooms, ordered objects in their places ) as an example.
A thread along which my experience unfolded was order, and i was shown how much work, and at what microscopic scale the process of ordering has to start to achieve an ordered room at human scale.
There were hundreds of threads in that experience i had, and altough i can remember most of them, there are some that i cannot describe in words.
One year later, my home changed from a dusty, messy, bad smelling "cave", into a shiny, ordered, fresh temple.
The process of bringing that order into reality was a long one, full of hard work and constant vigillance upon the sources of chaos and decay that surround me. And each time i would find a source of disorder, i would eliminate it ( might be the laziness of washing dishes later, not putting the clothes back into their places, taking a pen out from one place then putting it back in another place, etc etc ).
Earlier i said that i was shown how much work and at what a microscopic scale the process of ordering starts. By that i mean : even letting a grain of sugar spill off on the floor, in time it will grow into your kitchen being a disaster, and only trough incessant work you shall preserve order, only by cleaning that grain of sugar right away. If laziness wins over work, chaos wins over order.
The strugle is infinite, aeternal.
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there is a balance between obsessive housekeeping, and living in a vibrant and inspiring environment, like installation art, or a fine garden. after sweeping, a zen monk will place a leaf or two randomly on the path, making it more like home, and less like an institution.
time for your next trip I wold say.
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I am working really hard, preparing the next experience. ( let's say i climbed mountains in search of p.semilanceata that i am trying to grow, and also got myself some GT spores ).
As for the house keeping/cleaning i think the word obsessive is not the corect one, i would rather call it a deep/profound ordering process. This process starts way before you spill that sugar on the ground, it starts the moment you desire the sweetness, it involves paying attention on how you handle the spoon, how you move it across, how you drop it into whatever it needs to be dropped, whithout spilling it away from where it needs to be.
I will call it the same process, but it might be the wrong word, that allows you to keep a healthy plant in your house.
For me, attention to detail was always present, i kinda lacked the unpacking and repacking matter ... both of them , i don't know how to explain better. Most of the time i was just unpacking matter and then leaving it as it is, without putting it back together. ( for the sake of seeing how things are made, i unpacked them, and then left them unpacked, in chaos )
Let's say i was teached how to put them back.
Again, i find it very difficult to explain.
I would also like to hear more from other people experiences.
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AlexandrDughin said: I am working really hard, preparing the next experience. ( let's say i climbed mountains in search of p.semilanceata that i am trying to grow, and also got myself some GT spores ).
As for the house keeping/cleaning i think the word obsessive is not the corect one, i would rather call it a deep/profound ordering process. This process starts way before you spill that sugar on the ground, it starts the moment you desire the sweetness, it involves paying attention on how you handle the spoon, how you move it across, how you drop it into whatever it needs to be dropped, whithout spilling it away from where it needs to be.
I will call it the same process, but it might be the wrong word, that allows you to keep a healthy plant in your house.
For me, attention to detail was always present, i kinda lacked the unpacking and repacking matter ... both of them , i don't know how to explain better. Most of the time i was just unpacking matter and then leaving it as it is, without putting it back together. ( for the sake of seeing how things are made, i unpacked them, and then left them unpacked, in chaos )
Let's say i was teached how to put them back.
Again, i find it very difficult to explain.
I would also like to hear more from other people experiences.
What you're saying resonates a lot with me, as I feel like I'm relearning how to do everything in my life, and the what's opening up and changing is in the little tiny details. Its not so much an OCD intolerance of a grain of rice on the floor, but that cleaning that little grain of rice, or being mindful enough not to spill it in the first place has a greater and more important affect on my habit patterns than cleaning the whole room. And then almost as a side effect the whole room gets cleaned through attention to detail.
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oh also part of it for me is cleaning or taking care of things with love. I grew up having to do things having to be disciplined and resisting that. Now i see there is a genuine care, and that cleaning and taking care from that care is natural and healthy and often joyful.
I also notice i go through phases of pushing and efforting and then softening and relaxing, and its like im learning these things in more and more subtle ways with each cycle
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I also notice i go through phases of pushing and efforting and then softening and relaxing, and its like im learning these things in more and more subtle ways with each cycle
What do you mean by saying in more and more subtle ways ?
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(i imagine) something like: gradually maturing, refining, cultivating, and growing or opening partly by trimming away nonsense & attending to more in terms of tuning in more clearly & brightly with respect to the stream of oceanic-like flux of being alive as human as per tuning/training one's sensitivity overall like primal awareness.
basically sensitively being in touch with what simultaneously is occuring already in some form, shape, fashion, manner, or way -and- ongoing both in and all around us all - and - as to what all's touching what, where, when, & how, etc... ?
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I kind of want to just keep hearing the blind ass' song,
something of a light touch there, dancing along
it was like an 18 year old was going to conquer his demons and rise above!!!! and he pushed and fought and he
well its like those movies you know? the main charcter against all odds, a great will to make it happen
and along the way a hardened heart, a toughened body steeled against the world, rough inside and out, even with a softened facade
and then one day perhaps like a siren song off in the distance, his own heart whispers called, and the direction that way could not be forced, all the signs said, 'let go'
and the body softened and all sorts of hidden pains emerged, surendered to again and again, softening and softening and as he opened to his heart, let go of the world, till the world started calling to his heart, "do something"
so again to his feet, learn to push with intention again, yet this time without the will of the fighter, perhaps now a clumsy student learning to dance, falling down and having to stand up again and again, patience now rulling instead of fight
and as he began to dance, even the softer will still had its edges, and so another softening, not as extreme as the last
and
sort of like that. maybe not so linear, and well stories are always off in some way or other
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I think the main thing I have really gained is better control of my mind and my total thought process. Just a general observation, but its true!
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Freedom said: I kind of want to just keep hearing the blind ass' song,
something of a light touch there, dancing along
it was like an 18 year old was going to conquer his demons and rise above!!!! and he pushed and fought and he
well its like those movies you know? the main charcter against all odds, a great will to make it happen
and along the way a hardened heart, a toughened body steeled against the world, rough inside and out, even with a softened facade
and then one day perhaps like a siren song off in the distance, his own heart whispers called, and the direction that way could not be forced, all the signs said, 'let go'
and the body softened and all sorts of hidden pains emerged, surendered to again and again, softening and softening and as he opened to his heart, let go of the world, till the world started calling to his heart, "do something"
so again to his feet, learn to push with intention again, yet this time without the will of the fighter, perhaps now a clumsy student learning to dance, falling down and having to stand up again and again, patience now rulling instead of fight
and as he began to dance, even the softer will still had its edges, and so another softening, not as extreme as the last
and
sort of like that. maybe not so linear, and well stories are always off in some way or other
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all that and pushing back against the sky.
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and trying from time to time making as tremendous an effort as possible
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#28624459 - 01/17/24 11:03 AM (10 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Acceptance And stop blocking things out its part of what made me- me
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i was able to through meditation with shrooms go into myself and find places when i was young that i started various attachments. some healthy some not.
integration of these experiences is being aware of them. this has allowed me to distance myself and let go of behaviors, people and beliefs that were not serving my life in positive ways.
however i think freedom said the same thing
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The impossibility for reality and things/beings being other than what they are. You could be anyone and likely would maybe not even like yourself if you'd met a you born in a different time, place and/or culture. There's really no choice on that level. Realizing others don't have a choice in the way they are is very chill.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Ferdinando]
#28626917 - 01/19/24 09:20 AM (8 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Ferdinando said: and trying from time to time making as tremendous an effort as possible
if it can be related to being calm, otherwise I question pushing so hard, except when a tree falls down and blocks the road. even then it should be possible to cut the tree into manageable bits. so OK big efforts, but performed in manageable efforts.
I hope this is understandable. we don't want to explode or anything.
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From my first experience after getting ripped off and the guy thinking I didn't know what effects it had. Well, he was wrong, and he felt super bad about it, so he brought me to someone.
This someone said I could have five hits for $15
He dropped them into my hand from a bottle with clear liquid inside.
After which, i actually asked, "now what?"
"Just lick it man!"
So I did. I thought I seriously was given water. That stuff was clear, it didn't taste like *anything*, and it was the purest stuff I ever had. Had to be almost pure, which means about 300ug per hit, so my first real experience with tripping was 1500ug of Lucy. It blew me away, completely.
What I integrated with that, was to pursue a degree in psychology, because what I felt was so profound, that it gave me a real drive to do better in college
So far, I would have to go back in my mind to find a better example of insight after tripping. I'll think of something better
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I have thought about this. I have tripped a lot more than normal the past month.
I had one trip where I realized one of many motivations in life I have. Is sex. Something I have never considered before. I really explored that. And to be frank I was shocked at the realization. But, it is true. Shocked because if I was to compare myself to others my age and sex.... I have lived a very sexually modest life. I integrated this into asking myself honestly what my motivation for something is and why. Another trip I had was seeing my body not as sexual object or maternal shell. And realizing I don't allow myself to enjoy because it is based on always protecting it. Both of those were deeply seeded from a strict religious upbringing. And what I had integrated was to live more authentically even if it goes against family, ingrate morals from childhood, and society norms. I wish I had written when it was more fresh. It was quite profound for me. Like living a lie and being dishonest to myself in a way that was very unfaithful to my authenticity. Leaving me a little saddened but inspired. I dont know if anyone can resonate with it. Integrating how to pursue my intentions with an authentic goal as opposed to fear, or this is the right thing to do. I have lived my entire life doing the right things. Doesn't feel good when I am alone in my own thoughts.... sometimes. I have been more vocal about how I really feel. Deep down. I express my feelings towards others authentically but I dont do it towards myself. I have held a higher ground for myself often. Also unfair to myself. I think I thought it kept me safe. From physical, sexual and emotional harm. And in good graces with past partners, and family members. sorry I went on so long.
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^ try to make this brief if it helps at all. From someone who is highly sexually active, happily married 8yrs now, but was largely single up that point. Although I’m not innocent I was never a man whore. Watched a lot of porn but I was always torn between “chasing women” because I am so highly sexually driven, but it never felt right either to chase random women just to get laid. Deep down I always wanted real and lasting. But it’s like we’re supposed to wonanize and you’re a loser if you don’t.
It sounds to me like you’re in the same boat. Which it’s normal to be sexually driven of course, but not everyone is highly sexual. Plenty of women complain about their relationships. Most probably. My wife and I both are highly sexual yet we’re also loyal to the core and can not understand infedelity. Now that I’m happily married it all makes sense, but it was very confusing and quite difficult to handle in my single years. Not only due to society pressure/influence but my own desires and frustrations as well. It’s a difficult time. Partially why dating is so rough.
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I guess this raises the question of “what is the body?” And “how do I relate to it?” Am I in it? Do I create my perception of it? Does my societal conditioning create my perception of it? Am I in it or apart from it?
Does it annoy me/do I hate it/does it give me pleasure/is it a source of tremendous fear?
Psychedelics are great for putting a microscope to all this. I did have a profound insight when I was young, at a time that I loathed my body and self-image, when I was on mushrooms and staring at my face in the mirror -watching it morph in all sorts of cool and grotesque and beautiful ways - and I realized that I really DO create my perception of myself, moment to moment, by “choosing what to look for,” if that makes sense. Look for ugliness, one will find it. Look for threat, same. Look for grace and beauty, same. This was liberating for me.
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One of many reasons I started working out was when I realized that my body holds my soul. I needed to care for it. And I feel I feel better emotionally, physically, spiritually when I do. I didn't realize that I didn't allow myself to enjoy it because I was always protecting it. In the moment saddened me. But no longer sad. A need to appreciate and understand that I need to be grateful for being a healthy person. And instead of fighting for it, embracing it. Idk if it's relatable . But some people have illnesses and I don't. I should be celebrating that. And also accepting the responsibility of what i feed my body to ensure my continued health. When you're in a protective position you miss out on experiencing pleasure. Very fear based. It was enlightening
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: loladoreen]
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loladoreen said: One of many reasons I started working out was when I realized that my body holds my soul. I needed to care for it. And I feel I feel better emotionally, physically, spiritually when I do. I didn't realize that I didn't allow myself to enjoy it because I was always protecting it. In the moment saddened me. But no longer sad. A need to appreciate and understand that I need to be grateful for being a healthy person. And instead of fighting for it, embracing it. Idk if it's relatable . But some people have illnesses and I don't. I should be celebrating that. And also accepting the responsibility of what i feed my body to ensure my continued health. When you're in a protective position you miss out on experiencing pleasure. Very fear based. It was enlightening
That is very relatable 
Mushrooms always make me go “oh yeah, I have a body I need to take care of too!”
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Tripping made me into a science fiction fan. I used to trip in the evening and reruns of the original Star Trek would be on TV at midnight. They made that show right when people were discovering LSD and it comes through in a lot of the episodes.
I've always been looking for SciFi stories written by authors who tripped. Phillip K Dick is my favorite.
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sexual behavior biologically is an activity that produces a high. we can chase the dragon but it is not us, even though it seems to drive and reward the body and mind which is what we are for a while.
what I mean is that once we become sexually mature and active, it is a dimension that we can enjoy - explore - exploit - etc. but do not identify with it.
as we age beyond "sexual maturity" into menopause and manopause the absurdity becomes quaint, but the majority of people do not understand that this happens, and it happens unpredictably.
anyway, you may experience a final flare out, or sputtering of late sexuality, enjoy it as you can, but do not identify with it. it is a relic of our evolution, and not worth tossing away good relationships over.
Dealing with this has lead to many realistic positions, sex workers to help those who are sputtering, and societies that encourage or tolerate infidelity.
each of us is the best arbiter of their own relationships and fate, so I say enjoy the sputters as you can but be realistic and do not identify with the echoes of something really of no importance that evolved in our species before we lived beyond the pauses.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Universe]
#28631582 - 01/22/24 11:11 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Universe said: Tripping made me into a science fiction fan. I used to trip in the evening and reruns of the original Star Trek would be on TV at midnight. They made that show right when people were discovering LSD and it comes through in a lot of the episodes.
I've always been looking for SciFi stories written by authors who tripped. Phillip K Dick is my favorite.
that's fantastic. I am reading a large collection of over 800 epubs that I found of star trek novels. (some of them were not properly OCR'ed but I don't mind working it out.) I spend more time at that than anything else. hahaha!
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Universe]
#28632160 - 01/23/24 01:45 PM (4 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Universe said: Tripping made me into a science fiction fan. I used to trip in the evening and reruns of the original Star Trek would be on TV at midnight. They made that show right when people were discovering LSD and it comes through in a lot of the episodes.
I've always been looking for SciFi stories written by authors who tripped. Phillip K Dick is my favorite.

Right on. Ditto, Ditto. 
Oh yea...


Perchance, have you checked out any of the above? 
They're...IDK...so-so..pretty good...I guess. > / 
But yeah, more or less, all the above + Isaac Asimov's + Philip K Dick's stuff? All in all, there's only so much greatness between the sheets I can handle before it's almost be too much. (sometimes). 
...and I'd bet there are plenty more of wherever ^those came from, so to speak, but that I've not even become aware of yet. So much goodness...not enough time to get to all the goodies, you know?

Anyways....Sci-Fi....

some pretty sweet ideas & concepts to play around with, fosho. 
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28632202 - 01/23/24 02:58 PM (4 days, 17 hours ago) |
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love the cixin liu books ( I think I only read Death's End (part of three body problem) but will read them all when I can)
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 3
#28632213 - 01/23/24 03:12 PM (4 days, 17 hours ago) |
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I was tripping on shrooms that we had foraged when I was in college and it changed the entire trajectory of my life. I had an epiphany/mental revelation (in a nice warm shower) that I should change my major and I did. Very powerful stuff, I'm thankful for the guidance, and grateful how it has all turned out over the 20 years since that event!
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