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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Lithop] 1
#28617902 - 01/11/24 05:51 PM (16 days, 14 hours ago) |
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^I appreciate your post, Lithop. I too, have become much less of a "consumerist" and comfort addict. I've become tougher, much better able to deal with challenges and meet them head-on knowing that good will eventually come from them (just like learning from a bad trip). Especially regarding interpersonal conflict with people close to me. Also, I'm pretty minimalist these days as I've learned to appreciate very simple things, like the glow of energy in my body.
My most uplifting experiences and radical changes came early in my tripping, in my early 20s. At that time I had a lot of self-loathing, nothing I did was ever good enough to appease my endless inner-persecutor. I hated my body, felt my mind was broken. Mushrooms opened my heart and showed me what "self-love" and self-acceptance truly means, and taught me how to appreciate the present moment and be more spontaneous. These were lasting changes. I became a Phish-head, went to shows and danced my ass off, transcended my self-consciousness, realized that we take ourselves too seriously. These changes have lasted and are continually self-reinforcing and deepening as I age (and continue to TRIP MORE!!! lol).
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Blue Cthulhu] 2
#28617908 - 01/11/24 05:55 PM (16 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Also: after trips, I read a lot of good stuff. Learned about attachment theory. Learned about archetypes, shadow work, healing. Got deep into spirituality, and found some very interesting channeled works, including the Pathwork Lectures and A Course in Miracles (which have merit within the content whether or not one believes they came through a person from some kind of disincarnate consciousness).
Learned yoga, went on a yoga retreat. Learned qigong. Body work, the somatics of EMBODYING the lessons learned from trips. The integration has been a trip in itself, in many ways more rich than the substance-induced ones.
Oh, and: I wrote detailed trip reports of each trip, the day after the experience, in a journal I have. Forgot about this part, but I consider it essential.
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Edited by Blue Cthulhu (01/11/24 05:59 PM)
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom]
#28617922 - 01/11/24 06:05 PM (16 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I know it isn't the same, but one of the things I integrate from my experiences is the beauty of visual effects, which I integrate into my art. Click on my Avatar for an example of an attempt to represent the visual transformation effect where objects transform into one another.
I'm not a skilled artist but I do enjoy the act of creating art and I've found psychedelics to be inspiring.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Nillion] 1
#28617970 - 01/11/24 06:45 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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To me it’s as simple as paying attention to the way I think and feel on psychedelics. Certain things on different levels will stand out good or bad. Take note. Remember while living life.
We can change a lot as people. Ourselves and our life. I’ve personally changed both in different ways over the years. I’m always in my head and doing my best to guide my way through life. True to my values and standards and living my life on my terms. Doing my best not to live life mindlessly. Doing what most people do because that’s what most people do. It helps guide me.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: PancyanterA] 1
#28618275 - 01/12/24 03:33 AM (16 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: ^I appreciate your post, Lithop.
Likewise man, I see a lot of crossover- apart from the bit where you transcend your self consciousness. Teach me your ways!
(if I have to listen to Phish, I'll keep my neuroses JK )
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Blue Cthulhu said: Oh, and: I wrote detailed trip reports of each trip, the day after the experience, in a journal I have. Forgot about this part, but I consider it essential.
Yeah, heavily agree! Not just trip journals, but writing a brutally honest, no bullshit diary (at your highs and lows) and reviewing it every now & again is really wild. Something hits hard about seeing yourself writing about wanting to make the same changes again... And again... And again, over months or even years. If you struggle with self loathing and all that, try and imagine your friend wrote it and consider what help you might offer them. Empathy comes a lot easier than self love for many of us and that's fuckin rough, IMO.

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Nillion said: Click on my Avatar for an example of an attempt to represent the visual transformation effect where objects transform into one another.
I like it, the more I look at the the clearer I see each layer.
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Freedom said: I'm curious what have you seen or learned from your trips, and what methods did you use to integrate those lessons?
There is a lot of helpful stuff in this thread I reckon, all of you have casually posted really insightful stuff and it's appreciated. Recurring theme seems the fact you have to pay attention. To your actions and the resultant reactions, from something as simple as "Man, I gotta eat healthier & excersise more so I don't feel as heavy on trips!" to "I ought to stop passively manipulating the people around me so I get what I think I want." and the whole spectrum in between. So one method is: pay attention, HONEST attention. Be present. Another, challange your own beliefs- if you were that 'right' to begin with, why isn't your life going the way you would like? Maybe a bit reductionist, but it feels genuine.:edit: Breathing room, give yourself time to really consider what you think you're learning and try to view it from different viewpoints. Don't be tricked into thinking the louder the message the more valid its content. TLDR again: integration is about thinking about stuff and doing stuff, plus the balance between the two.

I was gonna go into LIFE as the school, PSYCHS as the lesson and INTEGRATION as the homework. The bits are there, self assembly required.
 ...Man Im really glad I invested in the deluxe podium...

Edited by Lithop (01/12/24 07:10 PM)
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Lithop] 1
#28618461 - 01/12/24 08:43 AM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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What’s the rent like on one of those room’s though?
I imagine it’s ….high. 

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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28618500 - 01/12/24 09:25 AM (15 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#28618517 - 01/12/24 09:37 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Something else comes to mind. For people involved in self work the thought pattern is often “what am I doing that is holding me back, what can I change about myself to have better out comes, etc etc”
Always putting the blame back on ourselves which is essential for self reliance and taking action for ourselves, and keeping the responsibility in our own hands. However there are times that this thinking it’s helpful, ok, and downright not the truth.
I sometimes meditate on: I’ve carefully made the best decisions I could when I did and took the proper action and still the outcome was not what I hoped for. By no fault of my own, things just haven’t worked out, and that’s ok.
In the words of Ram Dass I can still use all these situations for spiritual transformation. It’s all grist for the mill.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#28618522 - 01/12/24 09:44 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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How dare you point that nuance out, Chuckles. 
Look, everything you see. Everywhere you look. Any & All That, All This?
’Tis about me, Okay? 
So, like, don’t you dare try and change the subject on ME.. 

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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28618527 - 01/12/24 09:51 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#28618535 - 01/12/24 10:02 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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CHUCK.HNTR said: I sometimes meditate on: I’ve carefully made the best decisions I could when I did and took the proper action and still the outcome was not what I hoped for. By no fault of my own, things just haven’t worked out, and that’s ok.
 Wait. We're..... We're allowed to just do that?
:edit: that was tongue in cheek, you make a valuable point .
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Lithop] 1
#28621449 - 01/14/24 07:55 PM (13 days, 12 hours ago) |
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I only took mushrooms once in my life, exactly one year ago.
The shortest description i can make is this :
There always was inside of me this deep longing, ardent desire for order. I will only take oder in my house ( clean rooms, ordered objects in their places ) as an example.
A thread along which my experience unfolded was order, and i was shown how much work, and at what microscopic scale the process of ordering has to start to achieve an ordered room at human scale.
There were hundreds of threads in that experience i had, and altough i can remember most of them, there are some that i cannot describe in words.
One year later, my home changed from a dusty, messy, bad smelling "cave", into a shiny, ordered, fresh temple.
The process of bringing that order into reality was a long one, full of hard work and constant vigillance upon the sources of chaos and decay that surround me. And each time i would find a source of disorder, i would eliminate it ( might be the laziness of washing dishes later, not putting the clothes back into their places, taking a pen out from one place then putting it back in another place, etc etc ).
Earlier i said that i was shown how much work and at what a microscopic scale the process of ordering starts. By that i mean : even letting a grain of sugar spill off on the floor, in time it will grow into your kitchen being a disaster, and only trough incessant work you shall preserve order, only by cleaning that grain of sugar right away. If laziness wins over work, chaos wins over order.
The strugle is infinite, aeternal.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: AlexandrDughin] 3
#28621890 - 01/15/24 08:45 AM (12 days, 23 hours ago) |
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there is a balance between obsessive housekeeping, and living in a vibrant and inspiring environment, like installation art, or a fine garden. after sweeping, a zen monk will place a leaf or two randomly on the path, making it more like home, and less like an institution.
time for your next trip I wold say.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28622115 - 01/15/24 12:12 PM (12 days, 20 hours ago) |
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I am working really hard, preparing the next experience. ( let's say i climbed mountains in search of p.semilanceata that i am trying to grow, and also got myself some GT spores ).
As for the house keeping/cleaning i think the word obsessive is not the corect one, i would rather call it a deep/profound ordering process. This process starts way before you spill that sugar on the ground, it starts the moment you desire the sweetness, it involves paying attention on how you handle the spoon, how you move it across, how you drop it into whatever it needs to be dropped, whithout spilling it away from where it needs to be.
I will call it the same process, but it might be the wrong word, that allows you to keep a healthy plant in your house.
For me, attention to detail was always present, i kinda lacked the unpacking and repacking matter ... both of them , i don't know how to explain better. Most of the time i was just unpacking matter and then leaving it as it is, without putting it back together. ( for the sake of seeing how things are made, i unpacked them, and then left them unpacked, in chaos )
Let's say i was teached how to put them back.
Again, i find it very difficult to explain.
I would also like to hear more from other people experiences.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: AlexandrDughin] 2
#28622137 - 01/15/24 12:41 PM (12 days, 19 hours ago) |
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AlexandrDughin said: I am working really hard, preparing the next experience. ( let's say i climbed mountains in search of p.semilanceata that i am trying to grow, and also got myself some GT spores ).
As for the house keeping/cleaning i think the word obsessive is not the corect one, i would rather call it a deep/profound ordering process. This process starts way before you spill that sugar on the ground, it starts the moment you desire the sweetness, it involves paying attention on how you handle the spoon, how you move it across, how you drop it into whatever it needs to be dropped, whithout spilling it away from where it needs to be.
I will call it the same process, but it might be the wrong word, that allows you to keep a healthy plant in your house.
For me, attention to detail was always present, i kinda lacked the unpacking and repacking matter ... both of them , i don't know how to explain better. Most of the time i was just unpacking matter and then leaving it as it is, without putting it back together. ( for the sake of seeing how things are made, i unpacked them, and then left them unpacked, in chaos )
Let's say i was teached how to put them back.
Again, i find it very difficult to explain.
I would also like to hear more from other people experiences.
What you're saying resonates a lot with me, as I feel like I'm relearning how to do everything in my life, and the what's opening up and changing is in the little tiny details. Its not so much an OCD intolerance of a grain of rice on the floor, but that cleaning that little grain of rice, or being mindful enough not to spill it in the first place has a greater and more important affect on my habit patterns than cleaning the whole room. And then almost as a side effect the whole room gets cleaned through attention to detail.
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom] 2
#28622139 - 01/15/24 12:43 PM (12 days, 19 hours ago) |
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oh also part of it for me is cleaning or taking care of things with love. I grew up having to do things having to be disciplined and resisting that. Now i see there is a genuine care, and that cleaning and taking care from that care is natural and healthy and often joyful.
I also notice i go through phases of pushing and efforting and then softening and relaxing, and its like im learning these things in more and more subtle ways with each cycle
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom]
#28623812 - 01/16/24 06:04 PM (11 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I also notice i go through phases of pushing and efforting and then softening and relaxing, and its like im learning these things in more and more subtle ways with each cycle
What do you mean by saying in more and more subtle ways ?
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: AlexandrDughin]
#28624046 - 01/16/24 09:30 PM (11 days, 11 hours ago) |
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(i imagine) something like: gradually maturing, refining, cultivating, and growing or opening partly by trimming away nonsense & attending to more in terms of tuning in more clearly & brightly with respect to the stream of oceanic-like flux of being alive as human as per tuning/training one's sensitivity overall like primal awareness.
basically sensitively being in touch with what simultaneously is occuring already in some form, shape, fashion, manner, or way -and- ongoing both in and all around us all - and - as to what all's touching what, where, when, & how, etc... ?
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: The Blind Ass] 3
#28624105 - 01/16/24 10:48 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I kind of want to just keep hearing the blind ass' song,
something of a light touch there, dancing along
it was like an 18 year old was going to conquer his demons and rise above!!!! and he pushed and fought and he
well its like those movies you know? the main charcter against all odds, a great will to make it happen
and along the way a hardened heart, a toughened body steeled against the world, rough inside and out, even with a softened facade
and then one day perhaps like a siren song off in the distance, his own heart whispers called, and the direction that way could not be forced, all the signs said, 'let go'
and the body softened and all sorts of hidden pains emerged, surendered to again and again, softening and softening and as he opened to his heart, let go of the world, till the world started calling to his heart, "do something"
so again to his feet, learn to push with intention again, yet this time without the will of the fighter, perhaps now a clumsy student learning to dance, falling down and having to stand up again and again, patience now rulling instead of fight
and as he began to dance, even the softer will still had its edges, and so another softening, not as extreme as the last
and
sort of like that. maybe not so linear, and well stories are always off in some way or other
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Re: What have you integrated from tripping? [Re: Freedom]
#28624112 - 01/16/24 11:04 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I think the main thing I have really gained is better control of my mind and my total thought process. Just a general observation, but its true!
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