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420Botanist
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Veganuary...
#28615098 - 01/09/24 10:50 AM (19 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Not Veganuary again!
Who's up for a meaty march?
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Freedom
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I only eat human children and dogs
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom] 1
#28615205 - 01/09/24 12:33 PM (19 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Freedom said: I only eat human children and dogs
South Korea just banned that
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: gopher]
#28615209 - 01/09/24 12:37 PM (19 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Freedom said: I only eat human children and dogs
South Korea just banned that
the woke virus spreads
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28615547 - 01/09/24 05:38 PM (18 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Freedom said: I only eat human children dogs
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I don't care how many non-human animal lives are sacrificed for the pleasure of your nutrition but is it necessary? Is the vegan inquisition getting on your nerves? Maybe the question is whether the violence against animals is completely gratuitous now?
I kind of get the impression everything we eat these days is some sort of AI-generated nutritional goo. Is it really worth the catastrophic environmental cost to eat chickens that were pumped full of chicken drugs and produced a lot of adrenochrome dying violently? Is that how a lot of people stay young (asking for a friend, aging can suck my fertile reproductive system)?
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Alyssa] 1
#28615566 - 01/09/24 05:50 PM (18 days, 21 hours ago) |
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If a person lets a steak go to waste because the animal died, the wasteful person is the villain. They make that choice after choices have already been made. To not only let a living creature die in vain, but also to become a malnourished cunt that never shuts up.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: vandago]
#28615570 - 01/09/24 05:53 PM (18 days, 21 hours ago) |
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vandago said: If a person lets a steak go to waste because the animal died, the wasteful person is the villain. They make that choice after choices have already been made. To not only let a living creature die in vain, but also to become a malnourished cunt that never shuts up.
especially human steak, mmm and human children have all those healthy growth hormones yummy
Edited by Freedom (01/09/24 05:54 PM)
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28615575 - 01/09/24 05:56 PM (18 days, 21 hours ago) |
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I'm alarmed that I wouldn't put that past them.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28615673 - 01/09/24 07:55 PM (18 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Freedom said:
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vandago said: If a person lets a steak go to waste because the animal died, the wasteful person is the villain. They make that choice after choices have already been made. To not only let a living creature die in vain, but also to become a malnourished cunt that never shuts up.
especially human steak, mmm and human children have all those healthy growth hormones yummy
You could totally slice your own bacon off your own stomach and eat it while you recovered.
Broccoli screams.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: vandago]
#28615693 - 01/09/24 08:18 PM (18 days, 18 hours ago) |
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The only meat I really eat is 🐔
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Funny thing is I very rarely see vegans proselytizing - mostly just indignant meat eaters bitching about how much vegans proselytize
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: twighead]
#28615794 - 01/09/24 10:11 PM (18 days, 16 hours ago) |
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No, vegans tend to proselytize and it's annoying how out of touch with real life that strategy is. Like, I understand that we should respect the genetic material that's at least close to evolving characteristics seen in humans. It can probably suffer and we shouldn't make it suffer needlessly. That's with all other factors being equal. I'm sorry, but if I'm saving a human life and the only thing for me to eat is a ham sandwich, I won't hesitate.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Alyssa] 3
#28615942 - 01/10/24 03:12 AM (18 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Alyssa said: I'm sorry, but if I'm saving a human life and the only thing for me to eat is a ham sandwich, I won't hesitate.
But that's not reality. Your eating meat doesn't save anyone.
Having said that, I'm not vegan. We all compromise. Where we place that compromise is a matter of personal choice. The only way to not contribute to any animal suffering or sustainability problem is to find the nearest tree and a piece of rope. It's silly. So you do what you reasonably can without shooting yourself in the foot too badly. For some people, that means taking the plane a little less frequently. For others, it means limiting meat intake to maybe a few days a week and/or only chicken and pork and no beef. Yet others choose to go plant-based. Whatever floats your boat.
I do advocate some degree of responsibility and awareness in making these personal choices. I strongly dislike the "fuck it" attitude seen in some (and a decreasing number) of meat-eaters that's supported by ill-founded arguments like "we're all fucked anyway", "we're wired to eat meat", "meat is actually very sustainable" and other untruths. A little honesty doesn't hurt. Can't live with the choices you make? Then choose differently instead of trying to kid yourself, let alone trying to fool others. It'll just look very silly in the end.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Alyssa] 1
#28616178 - 01/10/24 10:06 AM (18 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Alyssa said: No, vegans tend to proselytize and it's annoying how out of touch with real life that strategy is. Like, I understand that we should respect the genetic material that's at least close to evolving characteristics seen in humans. It can probably suffer and we shouldn't make it suffer needlessly. That's with all other factors being equal. I'm sorry, but if I'm saving a human life and the only thing for me to eat is a ham sandwich, I won't hesitate.
The loud mouths don't necessarily represent the whole group, in any demographic. Unfortunately the loud mouths get most of the attention.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28616193 - 01/10/24 10:17 AM (18 days, 4 hours ago) |
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I think being vegan is heroic. I get more steak selections.
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I was vegan for a few years and didn't make any attempts to change anyone's minds or discuss why I ate how I ate. Some people asked, like my mom, but I think most people had no idea. It's kinda personal and weird to me that someone else is putting their energy into how I choose to nourish my body. Do you
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People are obsessed with what other people eat, it's because eating is considered a social thing, if you refuse to eat what somebody else made they get weird and try and force it on you, I had issues when I ate carnivore about family basically asking me every day to eat dinner with them, id explain my restrictions every day like it was a new concepteven though I just told them yesterday
Eating imo is a personality thing, I don't know why it's considered social
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You are right.
I hear more negative talk when I am trying to watch what I eat or restrict my intake. Then when I ate vegan.
Maybe it is just me, but it feels very personal to me. Intrusive. Not always... obviously not always.
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loladoreen said: I was vegan for a few years and didn't make any attempts to change anyone's minds or discuss why I ate how I ate. Some people asked, like my mom, but I think most people had no idea. It's kinda personal and weird to me that someone else is putting their energy into how I choose to nourish my body. Do you 
This is literally the only time I am anti vegan. I’ve seen some pretty healthy vegans. Also, sexually, their ph is way “fresher” and I never ever noticed odor like with meat eaters.
It’s when I’m scrolling Facebook, or eating a meal, and a vegan has to go in on how unhealthy I am. It’s jaw clenching annoying. Especially when you politely tell them why that’s disrespectful and rude, and suddenly it turns into a back and forth debate about it.
I also think meat eaters like Joe rogan, are just as annoying. Bragging about their meat consumption and belittling people’s choices.
Hopefully on both sides, everyone on the shroomery can agree that giving an animal that shouldn’t be on one, a vegan diet.
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Agree
I dislike anyone belittling anyone about anything.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: vandago] 1
#28616251 - 01/10/24 10:59 AM (18 days, 4 hours ago) |
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loladoreen said: I was vegan for a few years and didn't make any attempts to change anyone's minds or discuss why I ate how I ate. Some people asked, like my mom, but I think most people had no idea. It's kinda personal and weird to me that someone else is putting their energy into how I choose to nourish my body. Do you 
This is literally the only time I am anti vegan. I’ve seen some pretty healthy vegans. Also, sexually, their ph is way “fresher” and I never ever noticed odor like with meat eaters.
It’s when I’m scrolling Facebook, or eating a meal, and a vegan has to go in on how unhealthy I am. It’s jaw clenching annoying. Especially when you politely tell them why that’s disrespectful and rude, and suddenly it turns into a back and forth debate about it.
I also think meat eaters like Joe rogan, are just as annoying. Bragging about their meat consumption and belittling people’s choices.
Hopefully on both sides, everyone on the shroomery can agree that giving an animal that shouldn’t be on one, a vegan diet.
A see it similarly to a mental handicap when people try to tell others how to be. It creates disconnection and strife for the person who tells others how to be, and its almost always ineffective.
I think its a common delsuion to think one's opinions are truth
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Definitely inhibits any personal growth LOL
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If you want to kill the most life possible, go vegan.
If not, don’t. The lunacy of “oh no other life ought to suffer in order for me to sustain this meat vessel” is quaint; go plough a field and see how much murder you’re committing, from soil dwellers, to insects, rodent life. What a preposterous notion.
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Milleresque said: If you want to kill the most life possible, go vegan.
If not, don’t. The lunacy of “oh no other life ought to suffer in order for me to sustain this meat vessel” is quaint; go plough a field and see how much murder you’re committing, from soil dwellers, to insects, rodent life. What a preposterous notion.
Most animals used in meat production are grain fed, and the meat production requires far more crop production than is required for a vegan diet.
For me it isn't about the number of lives, even though less animals are killed in a vegan diet. Its about the way the animals are treated. I might eat meat that was produced in a much more human way, except its very expensive to do so.
The way you're using language sounds condescending to me, words like, 'lunacy', 'quaint' and 'preposterous'. It sounds like you might have a sense of self righteousness about your opinions.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28616337 - 01/10/24 12:21 PM (18 days, 2 hours ago) |
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You know if we didn’t slaughter the animals to eat, they would live longer and eat more? That argument is so weak.
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#28616405 - 01/10/24 01:08 PM (18 days, 2 hours ago) |
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how does animals livng longer and eating more relate to my concern for their welfare in factory farms? I don't understand what you're getting at
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom] 2
#28616415 - 01/10/24 01:20 PM (18 days, 1 hour ago) |
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vandago said: You know if we didn’t slaughter the animals to eat, they would live longer and eat more? That argument is so weak.
Oh come on. If we didn't eat meat, we wouldn't have all those animals in the first place. I mean...really, does this have to be pointed out??
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Milleresque said: If you want to kill the most life possible, go vegan.
If not, don’t. The lunacy of “oh no other life ought to suffer in order for me to sustain this meat vessel” is quaint; go plough a field and see how much murder you’re committing, from soil dwellers, to insects, rodent life. What a preposterous notion.
Most animals used in meat production are grain fed, and the meat production requires far more crop production than is required for a vegan diet.
For me it isn't about the number of lives, even though less animals are killed in a vegan diet. Its about the way the animals are treated. I might eat meat that was produced in a much more human way, except its very expensive to do so.
The way you're using language sounds condescending to me, words like, 'lunacy', 'quaint' and 'preposterous'. It sounds like you might have a sense of self righteousness about your opinions.
Damn right.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: koraks] 1
#28616684 - 01/10/24 05:52 PM (17 days, 21 hours ago) |
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There's typically a roughly 10:1 resource consumption & energy result each time you go up a trophic level.. so hypothetically eating the food that our livestock would be eating instead would result in 10x the efficiency - in land usage, food production, energy equivalence and resource usage.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: twighead]
#28616802 - 01/10/24 07:43 PM (17 days, 19 hours ago) |
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I believe all those points true except energy
I personally don't believe grains give as much energy to the body as meat, because of our biology
But yeah land usage and stuff makes sense
You know what else would make sense depopulating the plains, make everyone move, reseeding it with grass and letting the bison repopulate it .huge amount of animals for consumption living cage free free range
This is what I'm going to implement when I'm emperor of north america
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I'm about to eat pizza no veganuary here.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: gopher]
#28616857 - 01/10/24 08:15 PM (17 days, 18 hours ago) |
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You can definitely get all the nutrition you need from plants.
Because of this, the only reason to eat meat is for pleasure. Because factory farming causes suffering to animals, its like beating a dog for fun. Its just not necessary, there are other ways to enjoy oneself.
Edited by Freedom (01/10/24 08:16 PM)
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: Freedom]
#28616864 - 01/10/24 08:22 PM (17 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Yeah but you can get all the nutrition you need from beef, even beef only, that's how nutritious meat is, expecially beef is better then pork or chicken because cows turn polyunsaturated fatty acids in their diet into saturated fat by way of magic, where as the PUFA builds up in pigs and chickens
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: gopher]
#28617070 - 01/11/24 01:18 AM (17 days, 13 hours ago) |
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gopher said: I believe all those points true except energy
I personally don't believe grains give as much energy to the body as meat, because of our biology
But yeah land usage and stuff makes sense
You know what else would make sense depopulating the plains, make everyone move, reseeding it with grass and letting the bison repopulate it .huge amount of animals for consumption living cage free free range
This is what I'm going to implement when I'm emperor of north america
Yeah but how much food does that cow eat before it is mature? About 2.5% it's body weight every day " the average mature cow weight is around 1,400 pounds" - and they take 2 years to mature. and the whole cow isn't going to be consumed either. so that's some big # math by the time they're done
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: gopher]
#28617115 - 01/11/24 02:29 AM (17 days, 12 hours ago) |
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gopher said: Yeah but you can get all the nutrition you need from beef, even beef only, that's how nutritious meat is
Be that as it may, it's incredibly inefficient in terms of land use, water consumption etc. That is to say, with the exception of beef farmed in places unsuited for other forms of agricultural production. However, that's not how most beef is produced.
Your argument remains stuck at what you can personally see at the supermarket and comparing let's say a pound of beef to a couple of pounds of corn, wheat or rice, and then turning that into the belief that beef is somehow more efficient. It's just ignoring the actual production chain.
It's really well understood by now that dramatically reducing the meat intake of the human population would have a dramatic and positive influence on sustainability. This concept is not very popular, however, due to the difficulty humans often have in adjusting behavioral patterns and their stubbornness in hanging onto conservative ideas. It's very much like the firearm situation in the US, the state of your healthcare system etc. People being held back by backwards ideas and lack of appreciation of objective truths. It's a pity, but hey, that's human nature for you.
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: koraks] 1
#28617394 - 01/11/24 08:56 AM (17 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Thought the title said vaginuary....
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gopher said: I believe all those points true except energy
I personally don't believe grains give as much energy to the body as meat, because of our biology
But yeah land usage and stuff makes sense
You know what else would make sense depopulating the plains, make everyone move, reseeding it with grass and letting the bison repopulate it .huge amount of animals for consumption living cage free free range
This is what I'm going to implement when I'm emperor of north america
Yeah but how much food does that cow eat before it is mature? About 2.5% it's body weight every day " the average mature cow weight is around 1,400 pounds" - and they take 2 years to mature. and the whole cow isn't going to be consumed either. so that's some big # math by the time they're done
What? They are bison not cows, and they cover the plains eating grass, and I would mandate that they use all the left over meat to make pemican, and the bones make broth break them open so the marrow melts into the broth
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Re: Veganuary... [Re: gopher]
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gopher said:
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twighead said:
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gopher said: I believe all those points true except energy
I personally don't believe grains give as much energy to the body as meat, because of our biology
But yeah land usage and stuff makes sense
You know what else would make sense depopulating the plains, make everyone move, reseeding it with grass and letting the bison repopulate it .huge amount of animals for consumption living cage free free range
This is what I'm going to implement when I'm emperor of north america
Yeah but how much food does that cow eat before it is mature? About 2.5% it's body weight every day " the average mature cow weight is around 1,400 pounds" - and they take 2 years to mature. and the whole cow isn't going to be consumed either. so that's some big # math by the time they're done
What? They are bison not cows, and they cover the plains eating grass, and I would mandate that they use all the left over meat to make pemican, and the bones make broth break them open so the marrow melts into the broth
I was talking about the cows not the bison
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