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Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria?
    #28615066 - 01/09/24 10:13 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Hello everyone :-)

Okay, these pics are from 2019. Was good hunting year. So I learned just recently about P. fimetaria. So I always thought these were wierd looking P. semilanceata. But now I think otherwise. What do you guys think? Are they some Psilocybe?

Found in central europe. P. semilanceata were found in the same area. Sorry no better pics.





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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: olmyco] * 1
    #28615269 - 01/09/24 01:19 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

They are likely P. semilanceata, and not that weird looking after all, just large and water logged.

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #28616138 - 01/10/24 09:21 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Cool, then my first impression was right. I have never seen them this juicy before or since. :loveeyes:

Thank you for the welcome. Have not been active on a message board for a long time. Lot of Forums are gone meanwhile. Glad to see the ol mighty Shroomery is still prosper. Cheers :toast:


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: olmyco] * 1
    #28616169 - 01/10/24 09:58 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Juicy is a sufficient term, since it is likely high water content that makes them so huge and expanded.

Steadily high humidity appears to keep them saturated with moisture, making the cell structure expand accordingly.
Typically they will become more fragile as the size increases.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #28616365 - 01/10/24 12:43 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

If they are growing in a cluster straight from dung they for sure could be fimetaria or liniformans. It could be a mix of libs and fims even. Pay attention to where they are growing. The first cluster pic inches from the dung or on the dung looks like fimetaria to me. I've grown them and seen big fat caps that look identical to those

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: fireinyoface] * 1
    #28616477 - 01/10/24 02:36 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

if the edge of the cap isn't the darkest part and curled inward, I pass on them.crooked stipe also a requirement. In the bottom pic to me some def look like P. semilanceata and some do not.

This video is long but the best stuff I've seen on picking out P semilanceata specifically amongst others.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: metaneuralnetwork] * 1
    #28616546 - 01/10/24 03:35 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

A crooked stipe and a cap rim that is darkened and curved inward are all common features of Psilocybe semilanceata but none of them are requirements.

Psilocybe semilanceata that do not conform to one or all of these are not particularly uncommon.

Stem texture, a hygrophaneous cap, gill attachment, habitat and spore colour (unless sterile) are all reliable features.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Mycoangulo] * 2
    #28616762 - 01/10/24 06:59 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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A crooked stipe and a cap rim that is darkened and curved inward are all common features of Psilocybe semilanceata but none of them are requirements.






They're a requirement for me.
Passing on legit P. semilanceata is ok, especially if questionable. It's really more about getting none of the stuff you don't want, even if that means leaving some legit ones behind in the process.

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: olmyco]
    #28617405 - 01/11/24 09:13 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Thanks for your input guys.

I would say I am usualy not the worst at identifying P. semilanceata. But those threw my off in an uncommon way. They look definetly psilo to me. Those are quite sure Psilocybe?

Here a few more pics:








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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: olmyco] * 1
    #28617484 - 01/11/24 10:39 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

If I was out looking for liberty caps I'd pass on every single one of those in the pics.
Also looks like some dung roundheads in pic 5 and it looks like they're all growing in and around dung while none of them have the classic features all together.

If they're something else I'll leave that to others with experience. I only speak from a P Semilanceata point of view.

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: metaneuralnetwork]
    #28617513 - 01/11/24 11:18 AM (4 months, 4 days ago)

Well... thats a very solid statement.

Make my feel a bit dumb now. Back then I was so conviced they are Psilocybe and I could not resist to pick them. At least nothing bad happend.

Yes, there are a few dung roundheads in pic 5.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: olmyco] * 2
    #28617801 - 01/11/24 04:19 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

I highly recommend watching the video I posted above. I wish there was a video like this for every species. Covers not just ID of semilanceata, but also foraging strategies and a 'quiz' with lookalikes side by side. It's important to not just know the ID features of your target, but also how to specifically ID its lookalikes based on their combination of features.

It's also ok to pass on some that might be magic if you aren't 100%. I err on the side of caution and never regret the ones I left behind.

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: metaneuralnetwork] * 1
    #28617842 - 01/11/24 05:10 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Here a few more pics:











It would be interesting to see if these were directly attached to the horse dung or just growing up from the sides of it.

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If I was out looking for liberty caps I'd pass on every single one of those in the pics.
Also looks like some dung roundheads in pic 5 and it looks like they're all growing in and around dung while none of them have the classic features all together.

If they're something else I'll leave that to others with experience. I only speak from a P Semilanceata point of view.




I'd say most if not all in every picture here are hallucinogenic Psilocybe species, and most likely  P. semilanceata.
They can vary considerably in stature, shape and size, and are often larger in more humid microclimate, and
can also grow very close to or even through manure, like it seems they are doing here.

I think the largest specimen I ever saw was up to 5 cm in diameter, very convex and with almost no visible nipple.
There were myriads growing in an old field used to deposit stable litter, in a section were the grass had starting
to take over again. I could literally pull clusters right out of the substrate. I have pictures of this somewhere, I
can post them whenever I come across them. This was 10-11 years ago, I believe.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #28618276 - 01/12/24 03:33 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Make my feel a bit dumb now. Back then I was so conviced they are Psilocybe and I could not resist to pick them. At least nothing bad happend.




Don’t feel dumb. They ARE Psilocybe (other than the Protostropharia you pointed out).

There is no doubt in my mind and it seems Anglerfish, a trusted identifier with a lot of experience with this species agrees completely.

They are probably Psilocybe semilanceata as they match that species in appearance perfectly.

Many people look for Psilocybe semilanceata with a much narrower range of appearance than the species actually has. This is perfectly valid if they are more comfortable doing this, and don’t mind leaving a bunch in the field.

I do think it’s a slightly different situation when it comes to identifying mushrooms online.

If they were growing directly from the dung then fimetaria or linformans are likely. Otherwise Psilocybe semilanceata it is.

The vast majority of your mushrooms are 100% Psilocybe semilanceata or something very closely related.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #28618278 - 01/12/24 03:37 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

They're all p.semilanceata except for 2 or 3 small ones in the 5th photo that might be protostropharia semiglobata.

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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Psilosadhu] * 1
    #28618303 - 01/12/24 04:38 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Many of them have frost damage, one is completely black, so that might contribute to their slightly unusual appearance.

These do not pass as fimetaria even if growing directly from animal excrement.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Mycoangulo]
    #28618307 - 01/12/24 04:51 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

Again thanks for your input guys.

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It would be interesting to see if these were directly attached to the horse dung or just growing up from the sides of it.




Yes, me too. Next time I would check this, sadly back then I did not know about fimetaria or linformans.



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Make my feel a bit dumb now. Back then I was so conviced they are Psilocybe and I could not resist to pick them. At least nothing bad happend.




Don’t feel dumb. They ARE Psilocybe (other than the Protostropharia you pointed out).

There is no doubt in my mind and it seems Anglerfish, a trusted identifier with a lot of experience with this species agrees completely.

They are probably Psilocybe semilanceata as they match that species in appearance perfectly.

Many people look for Psilocybe semilanceata with a much narrower range of appearance than the species actually has. This is perfectly valid if they are more comfortable doing this, and don’t mind leaving a bunch in the field.

I do think it’s a slightly different situation when it comes to identifying mushrooms online.

If they were growing directly from the dung then fimetaria or linformans are likely. Otherwise Psilocybe semilanceata it is.

The vast majority of your mushrooms are 100% Psilocybe semilanceata or something very closely related.




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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Mycoangulo]
    #28618437 - 01/12/24 08:14 AM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Many people look for Psilocybe semilanceata with a much narrower range of appearance than the species actually has. This is perfectly valid if they are more comfortable doing this, and don’t mind leaving a bunch in the field.








I appreciate this context and it is my philosophy to avoid trying to include outliers. There are many lookalikes to this species and 90% of fungal species remain undiscovered. I probably leave many behind, including the dewdrop mottlegills that people so often mistake for semilanceata.

Having said that I've little reason to doubt Anglerfish and trust his opinion over my own on these. Nevertheless I will continue to reject outliers that lack many of the hallmark features of the species. That's just my approach. More savvy foragers will have better returns than I.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: metaneuralnetwork]
    #28619115 - 01/12/24 07:46 PM (4 months, 3 days ago)

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Quote:

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Many people look for Psilocybe semilanceata with a much narrower range of appearance than the species actually has. This is perfectly valid if they are more comfortable doing this, and don’t mind leaving a bunch in the field.








I appreciate this context and it is my philosophy to avoid trying to include outliers. There are many lookalikes to this species and 90% of fungal species remain undiscovered. I probably leave many behind, including the dewdrop mottlegills that people so often mistake for semilanceata.

Having said that I've little reason to doubt Anglerfish and trust his opinion over my own on these. Nevertheless I will continue to reject outliers that lack many of the hallmark features of the species. That's just my approach. More savvy foragers will have better returns than I.






Of course, it is up to each individual hunter to make the judgment of what to pick or not.
When in doubt, throw it out, as the saying goes. I guess my curiosity is greater than my
hoarding instinct, though, so I will often stop at the more unusual looking specimens to
check them for what it's worth. Whenever I'm the least unsure about their identity, they
will go in a separate container to keep them as intact as possible.


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Re: Semilanceata and others? Fimetaria? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #28626723 - 01/19/24 04:20 AM (3 months, 27 days ago)

These are most likely Psilocybe semilanceata. When P. semilanceata grows from underneath, or very close to, dung, it can often take this appearance. It may be something to do with the high concentration of nutrients from the dung boosting the growth of the P. semilanceata. Also, there larger libs are generally a sign of high water availability, so there was probably a lot of rain recently.


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