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OfflineL3N
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When did everything become psychologized?
    #28613518 - 01/08/24 12:11 AM (20 days, 8 hours ago)

I smoke weed to relax and have a good time. I trip on shrooms for introspection and fun. But it seems like I'm the only person who does these things for these reasons.

Since when did weed, shroom etc become "medicine" that "sick" people need? I never seem to see or hear of people who like to trip balls just for fun. Everything is through the gateway of attenuating misery of some sort.

Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with people who smoke to keep the depression away. But as I look around I see the general chemical enjoying crowd being portrayed as broken and dependent. I'm rarely depressed, or anxious unless I actually have a reason. Not too bothered by the past, apparently much less so than others.

Does anyone do this shit just to have a good time? Not to avoid ptsd, depression, flashbacks etc. Not to fill in some other hole. Introspection, self improvement, having a good time, expanding your spiritual hoizons... anyone?

Has it always been this way and I was too high and perhaps immature to see it? When I was a little teenaged bastard out raising hell laughing down the streets, it was all about fun.

What happened? Was the medical wedge applied to assist pot legalization, and it just sort of took off? Is this the establishments way of making look like a different type of loser or reject now that reefer madness is dead?

It sincerely seems they want to portray us as mental and in need of a crutch. I'm not (clinically) mental, and im not sad.

Anyone else have an issue with this, or have noticed the same thing?


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InvisibleKiwi89
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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: L3N]
    #28613540 - 01/08/24 01:45 AM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

I take drugs to get high, I like how they make me feel. Sure sometimes I will become introspective and my mind will wonder through itself and attempt some critical analysis of who I am, it is healthy to do so. Though I never ever trust my stoned mind to make rational sound discoveries, it is the always with reflection of the sober me do I truly listen. I never set intentions or expect anything from psychedelics. I definitely do not begrudge anyone that gets the relief they need from taking these drugs as some sort of medicine but that is not my path.

I want to laugh my ass off, talk about everything, hear how someone feels about anything, listen to music be awestruck by nature, listen to the silence I want to be in the experience either by myself or with others. 

People are susceptible/malleable on psychedelics and I have seen enough to be wary of the promises or insights or those that know how you are meant to do it.


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28613619 - 01/08/24 04:30 AM (20 days, 3 hours ago)

too many people who like drugs for the feeling are still sitting in jail around the world.

the world wide awakening to the error of the war on drugs is that the good feeling is healthy in various ways and by stressing that we can change laws.

Thus we have medicalized and recreationalized non-drug-cartel drugs and have begun to get the prisoners free.

even in the 60's people were using drugs in a way that was healing, or spiritual, so the medicalization is not a new thing.

psychedelics have always been spirit medicine.


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: L3N]
    #28613699 - 01/08/24 06:28 AM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

Anytime you use to fill a void has the potential for problems.
I have fun.
I also enjoy the spiritual aspects.
I cringe when someone seeks it to heal or fix them
That's something you do before, during and after
Not a cure
You're the cure


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: L3N]
    #28613717 - 01/08/24 06:50 AM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

It seems like our culture, having an emphasis upon hedonic use, falls quite short of realizing the broad applications and uses possible for these substances.

Interestingly Native cultures from the Americas have been taking psychedelics in conjunction with festivals and dancing for thousands of years in a way that is clearly recreational and medicinal.

Of course they also use psychedelics for other things like divination, consulting with spirits and treating or even launching magical attacks upon their opponents. Psychedelic medicines have a long tradition of being used for a lot of things and a short recent tradition of being viewed from a hedonic perspective.


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: L3N] * 1
    #28613904 - 01/08/24 09:53 AM (19 days, 22 hours ago)

Rick Doblin went to Harvard Kennedy School for politics, his PhD was about how to legalize psychedelics. The approach he took and colaborted with many people on was to go through the FDA regulatory system. And so far its working.

There are lots and lots of people suffering from depression, anxiety, PTSD, eating disorders, OCD .... etc and psychedelics seem to actually help, so interest is blooming fast from people with those kinds of issues.

Part of the plan is that once there is widespread acceptance for the medical model, people will realize psychedelics arent the devil and will be much more open to legalizing them for non medical reasons, like with pot.

Theres a fairly big festival psychedelic culture.




I think fun and play and healing and love and wonder and fear and laughter and all of the whole human experience are included, and any attempt to exclude part of it is off the mark.


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #28614023 - 01/08/24 11:30 AM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

Well, once, I overpaid for some kind of mostly bunk acid. It was heavily watered down. Kids that sold it to me found out that I knew exactly what to expect with certain dosages, even though I was a noobie to them

They felt bad about it

So I was given five drops of what I can only assume was the best LSD I ever had my hands on (or vice versa), had to be 300ug per hit.

My reality fractured. I ended up studying a lot of psychology, and eventually found out that psychedelics hold the most promise for tough to manage treatments, and so it's prevalence in the medical center is increasing

Do I sometimes trip for fun? Yeah, sometimes. But usually I go in it with at least one problem I would like to work on, even if it's just for thirty minutes or so

I also watch a lot of videos about quantum physics and have read plenty of books regarding the subject, and so these ideas greatly intrigue me, and I think about them more deeply when tripping. I am thinking I know what it might be, but I would need to know the math behind all of that

I memorized a statistics textbook on an acid trip once. I had finals, and I had nothing else to do.

But yeah, I don't know really. Usually I dictate how different sections of the trip will be allocated. Recreation starts at around t= +7 hrs. I am mentally sharp, video games are a blast, also on the come up

But after the come up and during the peak, I just want to explore. It just naturally comes up. I think it just enhances who you are. If you're introverted like me, you'll retreat. If you're extroverted, you probably like to do it for recreation mostly...I would love to trip with other people, but most people I know, just don't have the time

So really, I only get benefits out of it when needing a psychological change. I could probably do a recreational activity or enjoy concerts, fun activities, public parks and other areas, on L if I were to say, take 200ug or less.

I see no need to judge others for doing it recreationally or medicinally. They serve multiple functions


Edited by skOsH (01/08/24 11:35 AM)


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Re: When did everything become psychologized? [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #28614056 - 01/08/24 12:09 PM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

LSD had a huge part in helping me to get out of opioid addiction 8 years ago. It certainly wasn't the only thing, but I attribute it to knocking my brain out of the destructive thought processes I was stuck in for so long. That paved the way to stay off them when I finally quit for the last time.

Before that it was all for fun and these days it's all for fun and some spiritual enhancement as well.


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