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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28636599 - 01/27/24 08:35 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago)

Haha tell me about it! I'm diagnosed with PTSD. How great it is to make your biggest weakness your greatest strength!


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28636662 - 01/27/24 09:21 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago)

Re: perturbed

Everyone seems to agree in themselves, I do anyway, on the default waking state. I think I unconsciously do it on purpose, or it's fear, like drinking too much coffee on impulse, and expecting peace.

It reminds of a teacher saying we don't abide due to fear. For me, having the idea that I can now relatively more easily access that sattva, say, the avoidance is even more powerful or subtle, because confidence is there, but I'll choose my suffering instead because, well, the 10000 dharmas we keep with with our precious dukkha. Makes no sense and I don't know.

It's much about where I think I am in life, phases and obligations, financial, social. If I feel any hint of those, I tend to avoid, and stay in what, patterns of varying degrees of angst and habit.

Practices are ripe, but I leave them in the garage. Now I only talk about them. But they do come in snooze land too, fortunately. Insane though for me, to avoid the guru sadhana. A teacher said, when one is hungry, they will eat. It seems fine in that sense, but we only have so many days.

Before someones dismisses guru sadhana, today I found that Longchenpa himself was also very much about that. Not that I don't respect however people do their thing, but it goes to context around the non-effort. Do nothing, BUT, figuratively or otherwise, clean the temple, clean yourself, put on your robes and be there, quite distinct from junk food culture.

On the good side of stupidity, it is also a wonderful dance, or game of hide and seek, lila, whatever that is in us that seems to want to be in dukkha for the great bliss of return.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #28637960 - 01/28/24 11:13 AM (3 hours, 13 minutes ago)

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Internal family systems is a great way to work with our perturbed parts, and it aligns with non duality really well too




IFS is one of the major therapy protocols being used by MAPS (psychedelic assisted therapy).

I have done a lot of 'parts work' (what we call IFS in men's groups).

The capital S Self in IFS doesn't exactly strike a chord with my Buddhist views but it's easy enough to convert the concept to the four immeasurables.

Generally though, thinking in parts and working with them compassionately, has been very helpful for me.





I think of it as the brahmaviharas as well


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: Freedom]
    #28614800 - 01/09/24 05:03 AM (19 days, 9 hours ago)

That which knows. ? We also have that described as Satchitananda, existence, consciousness, bliss. So then I ask, does existence know? How about emptiness?

We say no observer, yet to know it would be to contradict it. Perhaps we could say, no separate observer. There are times in immersion or insight that are experienced as selfless, or ego dissolution, but how did you know? It may have been an entirely different kind of thing, but was not some kind of you there in it?

It seems so much of it comes back to limitations of language.

I suppose this is a disclaimer of language. "And yet, even as I speak, Subhuti, I must take back my words as soon as they are uttered, for there are no Buddhas and there are no teachings." Statements like Brahman can't be known - it is that which knows, yet also, Brahman shines - contradictions, not that these bother me in affinity.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: syncro]
    #28630688 - 01/22/24 06:10 AM (6 days, 8 hours ago)

I enjoy her talks. btw, I wasn't commenting on her person, but releasing the great spirit frog as a kraken to battle.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: syncro]
    #28631009 - 01/22/24 12:25 PM (6 days, 2 hours ago)

Not an accurate observation though. Say the yogis aim to subdue and transcend the five senses, and the tathata types discern the emptiness of all things. One is the other in effect. I guess it's a personal attraction if a tendency. Do nature people tend more to mindfulness paths, and do users of entheogens?


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: tree frog]
    #28631135 - 01/22/24 02:37 PM (5 days, 23 hours ago)

The history of the great frog spirit - In the Ramayana there was a little frog in the mud of a river bank, and Lord Ram had rested his staff in the mud, imposing on the little frog, and Ram said, why didn't you say anything? It was because the frog knew who he was. In my mind the little frog became a great spirit who could swallow solar systems like flies. It would be no problem for him to swallow the free will lady.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: spinvis]
    #28631226 - 01/22/24 04:08 PM (5 days, 22 hours ago)

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whether or not a spiritual practice is absolutely necessary




It depends on what one wants. An average person trying to make their way in the world, typically unhappy, worldly, suffering - they are the Buddha it is said, their mind is the essence. Do they need to do anything? Does it serve them to say they don't need to do anything, that they are it already? To say and receive that is not doing nothing. The insight changes one.

It depends on their constitution as said, preference. Can they chill in the now, or do they need that with the "Holy spirit and with fire?" Do they need to stoke the fire of tapas, cultivation? Sincere mindfulness is tapas and cultivation, redoing the neurons, as do entheogens presumably. Use of entheogens is not doing nothing.

So who actually does not practice? What is done without a goal of freedom, starting with getting food in the stomach, etc.?

A point I was thinking of was that all things have their source in their cause which is subtle, in light, if as was said, the gross elements, bodies. The sources of natural things are as much a part of nature and rightfully pursued by choice.

Can it be done without a serious pursuit? The guru's bowl floating upstream against the current, at that level seems to do so effortlessly. What mighty effort was involved? How much time taken, evolution?


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: tree frog]
    #28632090 - 01/23/24 12:16 PM (5 days, 2 hours ago)

It kind of blends in, but yes. Maybe not much but have read Dogen. Effective quote.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? *DELETED* [Re: spinvis]
    #28634894 - 01/25/24 07:23 PM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

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