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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28633370 - 01/24/24 01:54 PM (4 days, 29 minutes ago)

Is that the same channel you recommended to me a while back? It was where I heard the space intent quote and posted it in the quotes thread.

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spinvis said:
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syncro said:
Taking all the precious jewels in universes as numerous as grains of sand in the Ganges, would, spinvis, the value be great?



Muju - Shaseki-shu (Collection of Stone and Sand) - 101. Buddha's Zen;
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Buddha said: "I consider the positions of kings and rulers as that of dust motes. I observe treasures of gold and gems as so many bricks and pebbles. I look upon the finest silken robes as tattered rags. I see myriad worlds of the universe as small seeds of fruit, and the greatest lake in India as a drop of oil on my foot. I perceive the teachings of the world to be the illusion of magicians. I discern the highest conception of emancipation as a golden brocade in a dream, and view the holy path of the illuminated ones as flowers appearing in one's eyes. I see meditation as a pillar of a mountain, Nirvana as a nightmare of daytime. I look upon the judgment of right and wrong as the serpentine dance of a dragon, and the rise and fall of beliefs as but traces left by the four seasons."








I was trying to do a Diamond Sutra dialogue but glad you didn't reply in kind because I would have had to cheat and look at it to continue I think. :grin:


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28634097 - 01/25/24 07:32 AM (3 days, 6 hours ago)

If awareness runs around in rajas, random activity, or is in tamas, darkness or inertia, does it know itself? When there is some tathata juice, it is recognized as not being in those states, or is an agent of their dissipation.


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    #28634894 - 01/25/24 07:23 PM (2 days, 19 hours ago)

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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: syncro] * 3
    #28635033 - 01/25/24 09:24 PM (2 days, 17 hours ago)



Forget what I said - I was arguing effort-no-effort, but the picture shines. Pranams.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28635444 - 01/26/24 09:54 AM (2 days, 4 hours ago)

"must first purify their own minds"

It is sufficient, but I notice it being the bodies, which is why I like the 'kaya', body vocab, and it is the way my mind works with it, that everything (around dukkha and moksha) is bodies. The trikaya fits well with it, in my way of seeing.

With the image of the likeness of Longchenpa, I was filled with joy, and in the chest, diaphragm, belly was opened, released into that.

Though making without (wrong) thought is sufficient and everything, in the yogas there are emphases on purifying the bodies with subtle elements. Bodies, elements, are mind, and mind is body.

The body takes the form of the practice, or objects, the dharmakaya, anandakaya. I like to see mahamudra as body. It is the same as the form of the mantra which becomes it.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28635501 - 01/26/24 10:52 AM (2 days, 3 hours ago)

And as many interpretations of these terms as there are souls. I vote take it as you like. Some maintain say Dharmakaya as body of teachings, yet it is also disagreed with as literal. It reminds me of the thought that everyone can write their own version of Ramayana which will join it.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28635522 - 01/26/24 11:20 AM (2 days, 3 hours ago)

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There are as many paths to God as there are souls on earth.




I also didn't mean to imply it as a different path per se, but an emphasis. I imagine there are similar practices in Buddhism, as the principle of bhuta shuddhi, purification of the elements, though my personal uses of the body ideas are beyond purification, in how things manifest and are described.

There are principles in the yogas of taking on new bodies, a divine body which I fit with trikaya, the threefold bodies of Buddha.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28636662 - 01/27/24 09:21 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago)

Re: perturbed

Everyone seems to agree in themselves, I do anyway, on the default waking state. I think I unconsciously do it on purpose, or it's fear, like drinking too much coffee on impulse, and expecting peace.

It reminds of a teacher saying we don't abide due to fear. For me, having the idea that I can now relatively more easily access that sattva, say, the avoidance is even more powerful or subtle, because confidence is there, but I'll choose my suffering instead because, well, the 10000 dharmas we keep with with our precious dukkha. Makes no sense and I don't know.

It's much about where I think I am in life, phases and obligations, financial, social. If I feel any hint of those, I tend to avoid, and stay in what, patterns of varying degrees of angst and habit.

Practices are ripe, but I leave them in the garage. Now I only talk about them. But they do come in snooze land too, fortunately. Insane though for me, to avoid the guru sadhana. A teacher said, when one is hungry, they will eat. It seems fine in that sense, but we only have so many days.

Before someones dismisses guru sadhana, today I found that Longchenpa himself was also very much about that. Not that I don't respect however people do their thing, but it goes to context around the non-effort. Do nothing, BUT, figuratively or otherwise, clean the temple, clean yourself, put on your robes and be there, quite distinct from junk food culture.

On the good side of stupidity, it is also a wonderful dance, or game of hide and seek, lila, whatever that is in us that seems to want to be in dukkha for the great bliss of return.


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Re: Agency, Who is the doer? [Re: tree frog] * 2
    #28637858 - 01/28/24 09:46 AM (4 hours, 38 minutes ago)

Confession is therapeutic, the lamp lit this morning. Seems like months.


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