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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: CapSlinger] * 3
    #28598134 - 12/25/23 11:39 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

germination today. christmas surprise. three days of 24hr light to get here. no cold stratification required.





been spraying with a bottle to keep the medium moist. mix of coco and clay pebbles. i've used the coco before when growing mj. pieces of coco get into the water but it doesn't seem to cause a problem.

some floaters.


adjusting the pH to around 6.5 - 6.8


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero]
    #28598229 - 12/26/23 02:56 AM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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germination today. christmas surprise. three days of 24hr light to get here. no cold stratification required.





been spraying with a bottle to keep the medium moist. mix of coco and clay pebbles. i've used the coco before when growing mj. pieces of coco get into the water but it doesn't seem to cause a problem.

some floaters.


adjusting the pH to around 6.5 - 6.8






I don't know why people think that poppies have to be cold stratified,  because they just don't.

But yeah,  congrats man,  I can't wait to see how they grow  :popcorn:


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InvisibleGenericHero
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
    #28599925 - 12/27/23 03:02 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

In retrospect I ought not to have used coco. I regret it. The water is full of loose coco. I'll try to get it out next time I change the water. I should have done mostly pebbles with only a bit of coco at the top to hold the seeds.

I've heard that one shouldn't allow poppies to become too wet after booming because it waters down the latex. I wonder if this is actually true or if it is one of those things like how people think flushing does something in regards to marijuana. If it really waters everything down, I bet that some work around could be developed. Maybe allowing the tank to run mostly dry after blooming or something. Maybe use a spray bottle to keep the roots moist after the dry tank.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28611990 - 01/06/24 04:57 PM (22 days, 15 minutes ago)

Changed the water and cleaned out a bunch of loose coir.
Witnessed some roots poking out from the bottom of the baskets.
A bit of pale on the leaves and I added in some nutrients.
Thinned each basket to a few plants per each. I'll wait longer to thin them to one per.
I'll post some pictures once cabbage arrives


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28612006 - 01/06/24 05:12 PM (22 days, 41 seconds ago)

:popcorn:


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InvisibleGenericHero
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77] * 4
    #28623469 - 01/16/24 12:53 PM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

Been about three weeks since germination. thinned to one per basket. many of the plants' roots have reached the water. some haven't made it yet. i haven't added much in the way of food and the pH is pretty stable. hoping to see some explosive growth from the plants with roots in the water.



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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28623530 - 01/16/24 01:40 PM (12 days, 3 hours ago)

looking good man!


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77] * 2
    #28623653 - 01/16/24 03:34 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

Hell yeah brother!!!!!


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InvisibleGenericHero
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Sofaking420]
    #28625158 - 01/17/24 07:35 PM (10 days, 21 hours ago)

fugg, the roots are dying. it's weird. they are dying above the water line. the roots in the water are white and beautiful but above they have dried up or been attacked by fungus or something. i wonder if keeping the water level at a point with no air gap would have worked better.



i think i'm going to try it again. getting another medium. might use pebbles or something. might try a higher water level. submerged baskets or something. i'll watch this unfold for a bit before scrapping maybe on friday or tomorrow evening.


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InvisibleTowns77
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero]
    #28625211 - 01/17/24 07:58 PM (10 days, 21 hours ago)

Damn man,  could it be fungus gnats? 

Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year,  and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.

I have them bad right now too,  but Keeping vinegar traps out,  and keeping the plants dry,  I have limited their numbers immensely.

The peroxide used to work,  but these guys are immune to everything now :mad2:

Not even neem or insecticidal soap works on them anymore either.

https://www.nosoilsolutions.com/diagnosing-removing-fungus-gnats/


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InvisibleGenericHero
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
    #28625315 - 01/17/24 09:08 PM (10 days, 20 hours ago)

Nah, no bugs in the house. Just the roots in the air gap seem to be affected. I'm going to try higher water levels with a different medium.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero]
    #28625486 - 01/18/24 03:12 AM (10 days, 14 hours ago)

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Nah, no bugs in the house. Just the roots in the air gap seem to be affected. I'm going to try higher water levels with a different medium.




Oh,  ok,  well then,  good luck my friend  :thumbup:

Keep us posted.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
    #28625676 - 01/18/24 08:48 AM (10 days, 8 hours ago)

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Damn man,  could it be fungus gnats? 

Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year,  and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.






Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Shroomers420]
    #28627095 - 01/19/24 11:38 AM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

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Shroomers420 said:
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Towns77 said:
Damn man,  could it be fungus gnats? 

Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year,  and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.






Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.




you should think about getting a sundew plant. one of the earlier photos has one in it off to the right. they make a sticky dew on the ends of what i think are called fronds or something. gnats love it. the plant gobbles them up. sometimes it will make a flower.

i looked at the inside of the root basket. i washed away some of the coco from a few baskets last night. i had a look today and the roots in the basket seem great. lots of root hairs and such. i guess assuming what works for mj will work for poopys is a bad assumption.

the airgap... i noticed early on that some of the early roots would make it out of the basket and poke out at the bottom only to die off. eventually some started to make it down into the water. i wonder why they were having a hard time at the beginning. maybe poppy has no tolerance for the airgap? maybe not enough air? my pump is a bit old and not pumping as well as it used to. the water temps may have been too high and fostered some kinda bacteria or fungus. i guess i never checked the temp.

i got some volcanic rock today. couldn't find hydroton at any of the hardware stores. i'm going to proceed like it was some kind of infection. i've read a bit about what some people call "sterile systems". some people who do hydro for mj add bleach or hydrogen peroxide to their water to keep things "sterile" through the grow. they would add bleach at rates of 1-2ml per 5gal to 1-2ml per 1gal. it seems like the bleach will need to be added every so often. what i've seen is that people would add it every day to a few times per week, and some people would only add when they sensed that there was a problem. the h. peroxide i'm not sure about. i don't know how often or the rates at which people were applying it.

i'm going to drain the system and wash everything with bleach. im going to wash and bake that volcanic rock. i'll try again with the addition of bleach. i might see if i can figure out what the deal is with the air pump. it still works pretty well but is noisy at full speed. it has two outlets and one stopped putting out full pressure. it runs at half the rate of the other outlet.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28627140 - 01/19/24 12:06 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

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Shroomers420 said:
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Towns77 said:
Damn man,  could it be fungus gnats? 

Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year,  and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.






Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.




you should think about getting a sundew plant. one of the earlier photos has one in it off to the right. they make a sticky dew on the ends of what i think are called fronds or something. gnats love it. the plant gobbles them up. sometimes it will make a flower.

i looked at the inside of the root basket. i washed away some of the coco from a few baskets last night. i had a look today and the roots in the basket seem great. lots of root hairs and such. i guess assuming what works for mj will work for poopys is a bad assumption.

the airgap... i noticed early on that some of the early roots would make it out of the basket and poke out at the bottom only to die off. eventually some started to make it down into the water. i wonder why they were having a hard time at the beginning. maybe poppy has no tolerance for the airgap? maybe not enough air? my pump is a bit old and not pumping as well as it used to. the water temps may have been too high and fostered some kinda bacteria or fungus. i guess i never checked the temp.

i got some volcanic rock today. couldn't find hydroton at any of the hardware stores. i'm going to proceed like it was some kind of infection. i've read a bit about what some people call "sterile systems". some people who do hydro for mj add bleach or hydrogen peroxide to their water to keep things "sterile" through the grow. they would add bleach at rates of 1-2ml per 5gal to 1-2ml per 1gal. it seems like the bleach will need to be added every so often. what i've seen is that people would add it every day to a few times per week, and some people would only add when they sensed that there was a problem. the h. peroxide i'm not sure about. i don't know how often or the rates at which people were applying it.

i'm going to drain the system and wash everything with bleach. im going to wash and bake that volcanic rock. i'll try again with the addition of bleach. i might see if i can figure out what the deal is with the air pump. it still works pretty well but is noisy at full speed. it has two outlets and one stopped putting out full pressure. it runs at half the rate of the other outlet.






Quoted for awesomeness and to encourage you to keep this up. This documented experiment will help many thousands of people down the line.

Keep it up!

:goodday:


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Shroomers420]
    #28627404 - 01/19/24 03:45 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

I decided to maintain the current setup for a while longer. Added water until the bottoms of the baskets were submerged. I'm going to see if new roots will grow out of the pots just to try and narrow things down. I had read about air pruning. Maybe that's what happened to the roots


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28628092 - 01/20/24 04:35 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

If you use 30% h2o2 not very much and be careful.

If your using 3% over the counter stuff I use to add roughly 1/4 bottle per 5 gallons of water.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Sofaking420] * 1
    #28630743 - 01/22/24 07:55 AM (6 days, 9 hours ago)

Good luck on the next run, just remember how sensitive poppy seedlings are, try to limit movement and agitation from quick water flow

pumped to see results


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: takesix] * 1
    #28632118 - 01/23/24 12:47 PM (5 days, 4 hours ago)

sew... i've left things running to see what happens. brought the water level up to see if the air gap was pissing them off. some of the bigger ones continue to grow vegetation with no improvement in the root zone. definite signs of poor health. the space between the veins in the leaf are yellowing on all of the plants. i pulled one and had a look. the roots appear to have been retreating. the last time i looked they were plentiful and healthy looking. this time it seems they have lost a lot of ground and the ends are all gross looking. i'm thinking that this is due to rot.
i've not had a problem with mj and root rot. poppy may be more sensitive?

i'm pulling everything today and going to bleach some stuff. when i set everything up for round two i'll probably add something to keep the water in check. it's weird. i thought i had enough air moving through the water. maybe the water was too warm. i think the warmer it gets the less oxygen it holds. something like 68 degree F. is supposed to be optimal.

i've got a bigger air pump that could blast the water with air, but the thing is so damn noisy. i put it in the crawl space the last time I used it and could still hear it. i might see if i can figure something out with that. might try and keep the room a bit cooler also.

this is the one i pulled. you can see the yellowing and the poor state of the roots. gotta be rot.


going to be watching water temps. going to start adding bleach to the water. bring back the airgap. lava rock for the baskets instead of coco. i'll post more when i get up and running again.


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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: GenericHero]
    #28633914 - 01/25/24 12:02 AM (3 days, 17 hours ago)

I know this is probably just for fun, but have you considered not growing them hydroponically because they prefer a certain dry well drained soil type? Just a thought…


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