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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: feevers]
    #28612843 - 01/07/24 10:28 AM (21 days, 4 hours ago)

I suggest you read the court papers and testimonys on said candidate:cool::cool::cool:

Lets continue after that.

Compare them to lets say the ones about Clinton:eek::mad2::sad:

Quite different stories you know. Well you know if you read the documents and not an MSM source.

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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: feevers]
    #28613042 - 01/07/24 01:38 PM (21 days, 1 hour ago)

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LeningradCowboy said:
Court files is different story than the MSM.

Basically the rightwing conspiration of pedo politics proven to be right.

Would suck now to be American hardcore democrat.




yeah it would totally suck to support the party up against a candidate who is on record as being very close with mr pedo ring leader. hard to argue with that kind of superior logic



And Trump was actually accused by one of Epstein's victims of raping her. A lot more of a smoking gun than just having flown on the plane or been to the island. Maybe everyone who did those things participated in sex crimes, but that has to actually be proven


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: budmanman]
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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: psi] * 1
    #28613098 - 01/07/24 02:43 PM (21 days, 23 minutes ago)

Exactly psi.

If you are flying on a private jet to a private island, you know crimes will be committed there in secret. Its like going to illegal Disney Land and totally skipping the Indiana Jones ride. Why even go then?


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #28613203 - 01/07/24 04:21 PM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

Awh man, when that boulder came rollin, and the pyrotechnics. 

My fav ride was star tours, experienced well over a dozen times.


Posting to follow, I highly, highly doubt the big shockers that come to fruition will be shared with the public.. that is valuable and highly prized info.

This whole case has been sketch and I've been feeling misled since he died in that cell.
There will most likely be an alternative narrative presented so we can all say ok, acceptance, closure, move along,  nothing to see.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: birdeatingspider] * 6
    #28613235 - 01/07/24 04:46 PM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

The thing that is really messed up from my perspective is that these big conspiracy theory things about pedophile rings distract from the actual causes of sexual abuse of children

I've facilitated trauma support groups and have heard the nitty gritty stories. Its never been rich people sex rings or democratic satanic worship clubs. Its the family member, a step father, or an older kid/teenager.

If you want to do something about child sex abuse, focus on where its really happening.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #28613259 - 01/07/24 05:11 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago)

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LeningradCowboy said:
Court files is different story than the MSM.

Basically the rightwing conspiration of pedo politics proven to be right.

Would suck now to be American hardcore democrat.




The court filing were a dud. If anything, the conspiracy theory of a vast pedo network is dead. The files were exculpatory for Clinton and Trump, there were direct accusations of Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz and Bill Richardson.

We also confirmed that the victim, Virginia Roberts was trafficked from Donald Trumps estate, and that Epstein once personally called Trump and got a room at one of his casinos for him and his underage victim.

Right wingers who are interested in busting pedophiles really need to concentrate on churches


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28613268 - 01/07/24 05:18 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago)

If you have gone through the original material you knew Trump was not listen in any flights to pedo island. True he has been on board on lolita express. Just not flights to pedo island.

So u were saying what?

The guy is actually referred in material couple times. Not mentioned being in island.

Clinton 78 times for example "He liked them young"

Please read the official logs and court papers.
Provided links in this post.

Summary for you by tahoo news:

"The newly unsealed documents include the transcript of a 2016 deposition in which a second accuser, identified as Johanna Sjoberg, testified that Epstein "said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls." She did not elaborate.

Sjoberg testified that Epstein told her he would take her to Trump's Atlantic City casino but did not allege any wrongdoing. She also said in a deposition that Prince Andrew had touched her inappropriately at Epstein's mansion in New York.

In all, Clinton's name appears 73 times in the documents unsealed Wednesday; Trump's name appears four times."

There is mention of Trump being in Mar-A-Lago with Epstein, never on the island. You can check this easy. If you are willing to question your own opinion. Data is provided in this thread. No MSM version but actual logs and papers.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: koods]
    #28613270 - 01/07/24 05:20 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago)

LOL read the material.

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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: Freedom] * 2
    #28613273 - 01/07/24 05:22 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago)

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Freedom said:
The thing that is really messed up from my perspective is that these big conspiracy theory things about pedophile rings distract from the actual causes of sexual abuse of children

I've facilitated trauma support groups and have heard the nitty gritty stories. Its never been rich people sex rings or democratic satanic worship clubs. Its the family member, a step father, or an older kid/teenager.

If you want to do something about child sex abuse, focus on where its really happening.



Wanted to quote this because there is a lot of truth here and I'd hate for everyone to gloss over it.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 5
    #28613280 - 01/07/24 05:30 PM (20 days, 21 hours ago)

Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:
If you have gone through the original material you knew Trump was not listen in any flights to pedo island. True he has been on board on lolita express. Just not flights to pedo island.

So u were saying what?

The guy is actually referred in material couple times. Not mentioned being in island.

Clinton 78 times for example "He liked them young"

Please read the official logs and court papers.
Provided links in this post.

Summary for you by tahoo news:

"The newly unsealed documents include the transcript of a 2016 deposition in which a second accuser, identified as Johanna Sjoberg, testified that Epstein "said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls." She did not elaborate.

Sjoberg testified that Epstein told her he would take her to Trump's Atlantic City casino but did not allege any wrongdoing. She also said in a deposition that Prince Andrew had touched her inappropriately at Epstein's mansion in New York.

In all, Clinton's name appears 73 times in the documents unsealed Wednesday; Trump's name appears four times."

There is mention of Trump being in Mar-A-Lago with Epstein, never on the island. You can check this easy. If you are willing to question your own opinion. Data is provided in this thread. No MSM version but actual logs and papers.




Trump didn’t need to hang out at Epstein’s island because Epstein hung out at Trumps estate. They used mar-a-lago to find young girls. it’s just amazing that Trumps house was literally the scene of some of Epstein’s crimes and right wingers are like “he was in the plane, but he never went to the island.” Epstein and Maxwell were personal friends of Trump. Trump wished Maxwell well after she was arrested. Epstein and Maxwell were paid members of mar-a-lago. Trump hired the prosecutor who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal to be in his cabinet. Trump hired Epstein’s lawyer Alan Dershowitz who is accused of raping children to be his own lawyer for the impeachment. The blinders are astounding.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: Freedom] * 2
    #28613325 - 01/07/24 06:34 PM (20 days, 20 hours ago)

Quote:

Freedom said:
The thing that is really messed up from my perspective is that these big conspiracy theory things about pedophile rings distract from the actual causes of sexual abuse of children

I've facilitated trauma support groups and have heard the nitty gritty stories. Its never been rich people sex rings or democratic satanic worship clubs. Its the family member, a step father, or an older kid/teenager.

If you want to do something about child sex abuse, focus on where its really happening.



I agree, not enough is done for children of sex crimes.
Alsl the battered partners, cancer survivirs that are homeless because they paid they're bill, after choosing to live;
Victims of natural disasters who have lost everything and have nothing

There are many vulnerable populations- children who have endured sexual abuse happens to be at the top.

And there are programs for these members of society. The issue is funding, imo.
Awareness is out there, and conspiracy theories distract, but don't divert any more than saying domestic violence.. katrina survivors were asking for their misfortune by deciding to stay in their doomed-to-be, unfortunate environment.

Boils down  to lack of empathy, but that's another matter. It's more offensive than anything- as far as I know- but being in the field(assuming you are?), I'd be pretty pissed that this is getting so much attention.

If you watched the epstein series on netflix.. not only was there an appropriate amount of time carved out for the women to speak free, they used that time to mostly raise awareness. And I do believe that has a trickle down effect. Also, they discussed details such as grooming and how they were gradually psychologically manipulated into doing things they wouldn't normally do. And that is a pattern in sex abuse cases, if I'm not mistaken.

Even while this is being so keenly followed is for the wrong reason, I do believe(hope) that it is equally raising awareness, even subconsciously. 

Even if this equates to larger or first time donations over the holidays. Perhaps also, because of the details in this case, someone will recognize an abuse situation and act.

I'd imagine there are victims of sexual assaults/abuse who are following for the high profile justice- for what they have been quiet about, not believed, harassed for, etc.
Would think there's a sense of validation and chase of closure they can gain, by actual justice being played out in real-time(we will see.), so publicly and popularized.


I am frustrated too.
Just at the statistics and lack of upset from the community. 

What do you feel are the big problems/ and how are people not focusing on what is really happening?


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: Freedom]
    #28613400 - 01/07/24 08:36 PM (20 days, 18 hours ago)

Quote:

Freedom said:
Quote:

feevers said:
he was a highly connected billionaire with a private jet and his own private caribbean island, every single person on this site would have hung out with him if he offered

Unless there are actual new accusations about people (which would make this actually interesting) it just seems like immensely boring records of rich people doing rich people things





yes especially if he was inviting us to have a private conference on psychedelics or whatever interests we have.

guilt by association is not actual guilt




I don't believe everyone that went committed sex crimes. But a lot did.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28613406 - 01/07/24 08:42 PM (20 days, 18 hours ago)

Quote:

loladoreen said:
Quote:

Freedom said:
Quote:

feevers said:
he was a highly connected billionaire with a private jet and his own private caribbean island, every single person on this site would have hung out with him if he offered

Unless there are actual new accusations about people (which would make this actually interesting) it just seems like immensely boring records of rich people doing rich people things





yes especially if he was inviting us to have a private conference on psychedelics or whatever interests we have.

guilt by association is not actual guilt




I don't believe everyone that went committed sex crimes. But a lot did.




This.

And you know what they say, birds of the same feather flock together.  If people were close associates of someone as unsavory as Epstein, I really would look at them askance.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #28613408 - 01/07/24 08:43 PM (20 days, 18 hours ago)

Quote:

birdeatingspider said:
Quote:

Freedom said:
The thing that is really messed up from my perspective is that these big conspiracy theory things about pedophile rings distract from the actual causes of sexual abuse of children

I've facilitated trauma support groups and have heard the nitty gritty stories. Its never been rich people sex rings or democratic satanic worship clubs. Its the family member, a step father, or an older kid/teenager.

If you want to do something about child sex abuse, focus on where its really happening.



I agree, not enough is done for children of sex crimes.
Alsl the battered partners, cancer survivirs that are homeless because they paid they're bill, after choosing to live;
Victims of natural disasters who have lost everything and have nothing

There are many vulnerable populations- children who have endured sexual abuse happens to be at the top.

And there are programs for these members of society. The issue is funding, imo.
Awareness is out there, and conspiracy theories distract, but don't divert any more than saying domestic violence.. katrina survivors were asking for their misfortune by deciding to stay in their doomed-to-be, unfortunate environment.

Boils down  to lack of empathy, but that's another matter. It's more offensive than anything- as far as I know- but being in the field(assuming you are?), I'd be pretty pissed that this is getting so much attention.

If you watched the epstein series on netflix.. not only was there an appropriate amount of time carved out for the women to speak free, they used that time to mostly raise awareness. And I do believe that has a trickle down effect. Also, they discussed details such as grooming and how they were gradually psychologically manipulated into doing things they wouldn't normally do. And that is a pattern in sex abuse cases, if I'm not mistaken.

Even while this is being so keenly followed is for the wrong reason, I do believe(hope) that it is equally raising awareness, even subconsciously. 

Even if this equates to larger or first time donations over the holidays. Perhaps also, because of the details in this case, someone will recognize an abuse situation and act.

I'd imagine there are victims of sexual assaults/abuse who are following for the high profile justice- for what they have been quiet about, not believed, harassed for, etc.
Would think there's a sense of validation and chase of closure they can gain, by actual justice being played out in real-time(we will see.), so publicly and popularized.


I am frustrated too.
Just at the statistics and lack of upset from the community. 

What do you feel are the big problems/ and how are people not focusing on what is really happening?




Because it requires people to change.
The empathy that is different for a 3 yo rape victim compared to a 16 yo rape victim is different.
Or
A trans
Or a man
Also
People don't report . People know they don't so anything. This brings awareness but also takes away from real victims of the real world.
Focus is on celebrities not your neighbors.


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: koods] * 1
    #28614107 - 01/08/24 01:20 PM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:
If you have gone through the original material you knew Trump was not listen in any flights to pedo island. True he has been on board on lolita express. Just not flights to pedo island.

So u were saying what?

The guy is actually referred in material couple times. Not mentioned being in island.

Clinton 78 times for example "He liked them young"

Please read the official logs and court papers.
Provided links in this post.

Summary for you by tahoo news:

"The newly unsealed documents include the transcript of a 2016 deposition in which a second accuser, identified as Johanna Sjoberg, testified that Epstein "said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls." She did not elaborate.

Sjoberg testified that Epstein told her he would take her to Trump's Atlantic City casino but did not allege any wrongdoing. She also said in a deposition that Prince Andrew had touched her inappropriately at Epstein's mansion in New York.

In all, Clinton's name appears 73 times in the documents unsealed Wednesday; Trump's name appears four times."

There is mention of Trump being in Mar-A-Lago with Epstein, never on the island. You can check this easy. If you are willing to question your own opinion. Data is provided in this thread. No MSM version but actual logs and papers.




Trump didn’t need to hang out at Epstein’s island because Epstein hung out at Trumps estate. They used mar-a-lago to find young girls. it’s just amazing that Trumps house was literally the scene of some of Epstein’s crimes and right wingers are like “he was in the plane, but he never went to the island.” Epstein and Maxwell were personal friends of Trump. Trump wished Maxwell well after she was arrested. Epstein and Maxwell were paid members of mar-a-lago. Trump hired the prosecutor who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal to be in his cabinet. Trump hired Epstein’s lawyer Alan Dershowitz who is accused of raping children to be his own lawyer for the impeachment. The blinders are astounding.




Can you point to me this on the official papers? Not at MSM source.

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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #28614237 - 01/08/24 03:51 PM (19 days, 23 hours ago)

No. I’m not searching through the documents for you. How does an Epstein expert like yourself not know that Virginia Roberts was an employee at mar-a-lago when she met Ghislain Maxwell? This was part of the Maxwell trial.

Unsealed documents detail alleged Epstein victim’s recruitment at Mar-a-Lago


What’s the point anyways. Pedo-apologists like yourself will always equivocate when it comes to trump


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: koods]
    #28614249 - 01/08/24 04:14 PM (19 days, 22 hours ago)

LOL

No second hand opinons from either democrat leaning or Republican source.
This is so hot subject in your country that there is no neutral objective view on either side of media.

Here is the material:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24253239-1324-epstein-documents-943-pages

PLease prove your point.

Otherwise please shut up.

P.s

This is from your source

"The unsealed files don’t appear to include any allegation that Trump had sex with Giuffre or other women working for Epstein.

Giuffre also denied aspects of a reporter’s claim that she said: “Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s. He didn’t partake in any sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.’”

“’Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.’ That part is true. ‘He didn’t partake in any’ of — any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.’ It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre clarified later."

:doublefacepalm::nodofunderstanding::raisemyglass:

On the other hand we have several flights from mister clinton to pedo island.

"He liked them young"

Like wtf dude. Read the files or shut up please. did you even read your own source? There is no mention of Trump and Epstein doing crimes together


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 3
    #28614259 - 01/08/24 04:28 PM (19 days, 22 hours ago)

Pages 43, 44, 142, 492, 768, 783, 928

You know who never flew in Epstein’s plane, had employees trafficked from their house, or ate dinner with Epstein on a regular basis? Joe Biden


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Re: Lots of stuff coming out about Jeffrey Epstein dump your info here. [Re: koods]
    #28614270 - 01/08/24 04:36 PM (19 days, 22 hours ago)

And you are referring to what whit it?

You just stated couple messages back that
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Trump didn’t need to hang out at Epstein’s island because Epstein hung out at Trumps estate. They used mar-a-lago to find young girls.




Please provide references. This just sounds u are trying to give me every page Trump is mentioned without even knowing what you want to say. Or what are you referring at.


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