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Preferred psychedelic for mental health?
    #28611193 - 01/06/24 04:13 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Many species of active shrooms, cubes, pans, semps, nats, tamps, ect. Not to mention all the other psychs, DMT, mescaline, LSD, MDMA, weed, ketamine? What do you prefer for treating depression and why? Open to hearing preferences for other health conditions too.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 3
    #28611237 - 01/06/24 05:07 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

LSD is the most effective for me for depression, the effect lasts from 4 weeks up to 3 months. It doesn't really work if I take a tourist dose though, I have to really get in there. It's just bliss as well. Even when it's weird it's wonderful.

Mushrooms work well on me too, but not long on smaller doses and heavier doses can be pretty scary. The wondering whether I've done too much and when I'm gonna stop coming up is one hell of a ride every time, can be pretty unnerving.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28611258 - 01/06/24 05:36 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I don't have a lot of experience, this is my experience, weed was absolutely horrible for my mental health.
For me it's shrooms.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 2
    #28611574 - 01/06/24 10:48 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Its more about the context within which its used than the substance.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28611669 - 01/06/24 12:08 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Northener, all species of shrooms are the same for you?

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For me it's shrooms.



Any specific species? I know cubes are most common. Have you tried others?

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Its more about the context within which its used than the substance.



Yes set and setting fo sho. I still want to know people's personal preference. I see posts where people like the high of nats or pans better.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28611684 - 01/06/24 12:20 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

LSD, hands down. With my experience with this psychedelic, I know what to expect and when to have my setting perfect before it peaks, and I catch the bed at the exact right time.

LSD also seemed to last longer post trip, in terms of anti depressants effects for me.

Mixing shrooms with LSD is also highly effective, this got rid of my depression for a couple years. I can't wait to do it again.

Fadimen's "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide" is a must read. It goes into detail on how to properly prepare for the experience

And if you go into it with the intention of some healing, that will be what you get. Don't fight it at all. It will feel much more relaxing and natural to just go with it

I would put together a consistent set and setting as a safe zone and make it friendly to your trip.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: skOsH]
    #28611689 - 01/06/24 12:33 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

My only issue with LSD is that the trip is so long


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28611703 - 01/06/24 12:43 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

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Northener, all species of shrooms are the same for you?

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For me it's shrooms.



Any specific species? I know cubes are most common. Have you tried others?

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Its more about the context within which its used than the substance.



Yes set and setting fo sho. I still want to know people's personal preference. I see posts where people like the high of nats or pans better.





What you do after is important. I had insight into my trauma on psychedelics but that was just the beginning, it led to years of therapy and various interventions that were very helpful.

after set, setting and the bigger context, I think dose is most important.


If I had depression and wanted to look into it I would choose a light dose of mushrooms, a light dose of DMT, moderate dose of LSD, 2C-B, mescaline, or 2C-e. I think I'd lean towards the LSD, 2c-B, or mescaline.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28611719 - 01/06/24 12:57 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Yes I forgot about hard working on self improvement and therapy after. Curious why light dose of shrooms and DMT vs moderate dose of others?


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28611724 - 01/06/24 01:03 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

mushrooms and dmt tend to take me into other worldly realms more than the others and that can be helpful but is less predictable

like for example i experienced being tortured as many different people over and over again on mushrooms, and that was a useful insight in some ways but probably wasn't the ideal treatment for depression

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Freedom]
    #28611793 - 01/06/24 02:04 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

For microdoses mushrooms or mescaline.

For actual trips, LSD or mescaline.  Mainly LSD.  LSD has saved my life - I would've committed suicide or overdosed without a care around 6-7 years ago without it. 

LSD also helped me quit drinking - I drank daily for years and after an 150ug LSD trip the day before thanksgiving I was able to cease daily alcohol use without any issue or anxiety.  I am now in complete control of my drinking and choose to have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner once every couple of weeks.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28611900 - 01/06/24 03:58 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

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like for example i experienced being tortured as many different people over and over again on mushrooms, and that was a useful insight in some ways but probably wasn't the ideal treatment for depression




Freedom, that trip needs therapy to unpack :scaredturtle:

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LSD has saved my life - I would've committed suicide or overdosed without a care around 6-7 years ago without it. 

LSD also helped me quit drinking - I drank daily for years and after an 150ug LSD trip the day before thanksgiving I was able to cease daily alcohol use without any issue or anxiety.  I am now in complete control of my drinking and choose to have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner once every couple of weeks.




Damn I'm glad you're still around. Also I love me some miracle cure anecdotes.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 2
    #28612022 - 01/06/24 05:22 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Each psychedelic has unique properties that lend themselves to different kinds of healing effects, IMO. For me:

-LSD is very analytical, great for analyzing systems including how I am nested within a family, society, culture, linguistic system, etc.

-Mushrooms seem particularly adept at unlocking "shadow aspects" of my psyche, those dark and repressed areas, and helping me to digest the repressed emotions within the darkness. My biggest inner transformations have occurred because of psilocybin trips.

-Mescaline is more heart centered with empathogenic qualities, and I always find myself contemplating my place within my communities. Not in the analytical way that LSD can do, but more in a "felt" sense of connection and hyperawareness of the emotions of others. I also feel stronger afterward for weeks, something about the grueling nature of a 14 hour cactus trip causes my whole system to level up, including physically.


That being said, all psychedelics are fantastic for making connections, amplifying awareness, creating openness, and confronting difficult topics in novel/surprising ways.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28612589 - 01/07/24 05:12 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Blue Cthulhu, I like this breakdown of properties.

Cubes and pans make me more and more nauseous that I rarely take them anymore, even if I make tea. It's as if the body load has gotten worse.

14 hours of mescaline is even longer than LSD! I'm wondering if other active mushroom species are better for depression or easier on my body. I'll look into DMT, I wish it was easier to find.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 2
    #28612840 - 01/07/24 10:28 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Mushrooms (solo) and ayahuasca (in ceremony) have been immensely beneficial for my anxiety and depression.

I have to go fairly deep inside both for the therapeutic benefits though. For me the complete shift of consciousness is where the seeds are planted for deep work.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28612873 - 01/07/24 10:52 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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Blue Cthulhu, I like this breakdown of properties.

Cubes and pans make me more and more nauseous that I rarely take them anymore, even if I make tea. It's as if the body load has gotten

Same
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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28612902 - 01/07/24 11:11 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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Freedom, that trip needs therapy to unpack :scaredturtle:







It was challenging and I'll spare you the details, but it helped me have more compassion for people. It also helped me learn to surrender to a greater degree.

I've been through different phases with psychedelic healing. In my teens there were big openings and also big insight into my traumas. In my 20's there was a period where it seemed to be working on the energetic system in my body. It wasn't fun, it honed in on the discomfort of the energetic blocks, and there wasn't the big cathartic releases that came from the openings and trauma stuff. Then in my 30's it became more transpersonal with stuff like being tortured. Then I started just opening up to like pure bliss and expansiveness which was neat but I wasn't learning much, so now my new edge is to take low to moderate doses in situations where my stuff comes up, like with other people, with my dad, out in public etc and this is helping to find places I'm stuck still.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Northerner]
    #28613027 - 01/07/24 01:21 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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The wondering whether I've done too much and when I'm gonna stop coming up is one hell of a ride every time, can be pretty unnerving.




Such a common thing with me when on weed, even now, when I have plenty experience with weed, it happens every now and then. Unfortunately sometimes it's quite hard to just get along with the ride and relax.

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    #28613036 - 01/07/24 01:30 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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The wondering whether I've done too much and when I'm gonna stop coming up is one hell of a ride every time, can be pretty unnerving.




Such a common thing with me when on weed, even now, when I have plenty experience with weed, it happens every now and then. Unfortunately sometimes it's quite hard to just get along with the ride and relax.





it can be a wonderful mind training, teaching to surrender, to find the peace thats always there, even in the midst of panic...

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Freedom]
    #28613536 - 01/08/24 01:00 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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my new edge is to take low to moderate doses in situations where my stuff comes up, like with other people, with my dad, out in public etc and this is helping to find places I'm stuck still.




What's a low to moderate dose? Would you consider it micro dose? I used to think it was taking an amount below perceivable effects but learned it is actually "approximately 1/5 to 1/20 of a recreational dose".

Being outside distracts me from the nausea but not so helpful for working through my mental shit.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28613829 - 01/08/24 08:45 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

For me a low dose is above a microdose. I can definitely feel the effects. Things are brighter, more vivid, my mind becomes more sensitive. I'm definitely perceiving things differently. I feel more around other people. I remember taking my grandmother to the beach one last time before she died. I did a low dose of 2C-B. I could feel her smile and the sun and the water and the sand, I could feel more about how I felt and death and love and our family. At that low dose I don't worry about being overwhelmed or something too much comming up to get in the way of things.

A moderate dose is like this but more intense. Visual phenomena become more apparent. The intensity of things can begin to touch on what could feel like overwhelm, however with lots of experience this is easily navigated. It can be a little more tricky navigating the world. I remember once on acid I had layover in a busy airport. It was a little challenging processing all the information like the flight boards and getting through the maze of the terminal and making sure I was at the right gate at the right time. When i got there and sat down I could feel everyone so intensely.

A safe way to start exploring out in public as durring the after glow after a trip with a friend.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28614603 - 01/08/24 10:04 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Managing a lot of pain
Using different cannabis cultivars to ease pain and stabilize my mood
After a recent flood and a ton of work rebuilding my pain got to a 5
Unable to sleep and the cannabis was not working as well so I tried mushrooms I had bought at a cannabis festival
Got a break from the pain on 2 grams of stems using lemon tech, hope I have that right
As I came down from the trip I was able to get to sleep before I was aware of the pain again
Very impressed
This is not pain killing I think, its different and hard to explain

I'm a newbie, rookie etc.
Have some trips on my passport including mescaline (orange and yellow sunshine I believe), blotter acid and mushrooms over the decades

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Medibleman]
    #28614718 - 01/09/24 01:15 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

I don't think there is a definite answer for this, everyone's different and problems are different. But a good start is the Mexican or Golden teacher. I think the mindset is very important, being safe, feeling safe, clean room, maybe some nice mild fragrant in the room just not candles or anything unsafe unless you have a sitter.
And then there is the dose, what is your correct dose. Just start with the default, 15 - 20grams fresh or 1.5-2 gram dried. Lemon tek kicks in quick, or grind the shrooms and put them in capsules, 00 holds 0.5- 0.6g if you pack it in there.

Microdosing have given me nothing I feel, but 0.5 an hour before bed gives me a little pain relief and better sleep. The next day I always take a couple of BCAA vitamin pills 💊


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28614740 - 01/09/24 02:24 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Id say homegrown Cubenis is the best, specifically African Transkei. Its my favorite strain and I feel like it has the most "natural" psychedelic medicinal quality to it.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, I would argue that Dealer Cubes (Cubenis Mutant Isolates) are the worst psychedelic medicine and feel more like a party drug in comparsion.


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28615883 - 01/10/24 12:10 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

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As I came down from the trip I was able to get to sleep before I was aware of the pain again




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I don't think there is a definite answer for this, everyone's different and problems are different.

Microdosing have given me nothing I feel, but 0.5 an hour before bed gives me a little pain relief and better sleep. The next day I always take a couple of BCAA vitamin pills 💊




You guys can sleep well after that? I'm only able to doze off, never stay asleep.

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Id say homegrown Cubenis is the best, specifically African Transkei. Its my favorite strain and I feel like it has the most "natural" psychedelic medicinal quality to it.




After all the things you've tried, Transkei is your favourite? Not "a cube is a cube?"


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28615919 - 01/10/24 02:02 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

In my personal experience, yes there is a difference between different strains of Cubes. Its kinda subtle but I feel it. Other favorites are Mazatepeca and Huaulta.

Its similar to how there are differences between different THC genetics, but the psychedelic mushroom version.

Out of all the strains (about a dozen total), African Transkei is my favorite. I highly recommend trying it. Another favorite is APE. There's this ethereal "airy" quality to Albino Penis Envy that is just wonderful. I havent tried a big dose of APE yet, but I hope to try again this year.

Great reference for the subjective differences between different Cubenis Strains: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15670901

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28616379 - 01/10/24 12:50 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

interesting... i also really like mazatapec.. what do u remember of B+?


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    #28616506 - 01/10/24 03:00 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

Ive actually never tried B+ before so I can't comment.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28616514 - 01/10/24 03:05 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

Mushrooms for me are a mental health reset button. They give me a bit of a clean slate to work with, but I have to work with it. I can get back into some pretty shitty thinking fairly fast.

I haven't tried mescaline yet. I have enough Bridgesii growing for a few trips but am nervous about it's duration as well.

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    #28618092 - 01/11/24 08:41 PM (5 months, 11 days ago)

Cubensis is so strong lol. I took too manys maaan, too manys... now I don't know if it's a good thing or not. I spent 5 years taking moderate subaruginosa thinking I was the kang of mushrooms, but then I poorly eyed 14g cubensis and shitted bricks. There was nothing in my visual field that was not a hallucination or reacting to my thinking.


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    #28618122 - 01/11/24 09:16 PM (5 months, 11 days ago)

:holyfuckdude:

Id love to hear that whole crazy-ass story! :omgz:


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret]
    #28618147 - 01/11/24 09:42 PM (5 months, 11 days ago)

High dose psilocybin, but it'd have to be done in a serious medical setting like a hospital due to the risks involved.

Edited by nooneman (01/11/24 09:43 PM)

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #28618220 - 01/12/24 12:03 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

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lostintimenspc said: I poorly eyed 14g cubensis and shitted bricks.




If we are talking about dried mushrooms that is a BIG pile, there would need to be some serious eating to get those down.

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Kiwi89] * 1
    #28618230 - 01/12/24 12:35 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

I too wish to know how you ate all those shrooms and the crazy ass story


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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Floret] * 1
    #28622065 - 01/15/24 11:29 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

I started with Ketamine.  I did maybe 15-20 sessions over months with a physician (injections - not sublingual or IV).  A few of these sessions my therapist was also present. 

This opened my eyes to psychedelic treatments.  The first time....I felt much better the next day.  Over time I felt the improving effects didn't last long.  I also felt like there might be something better out there.  Ket seemed to get me 80-90% of the way to feeling better.

Mushrooms changed everything for me.  I tried the micro-dosing and it didn't work for me.  I also wanted change (relief) and wanted it fast. 

For me it was a massive hero dose (10g) that was the most significant change and improvement in my health.

Recently I have tried DMT via the toad.  I have done it twice now.  The first was very interesting, but the second was underwhelming.  This was in the past two months.  I still don't know what to think of these experiences.  But I don't feel they helped my mental health much.  But I am also in a much better place since working with the mushrooms.

Mushrooms are it for me.  I can grow my own and not reply on anyone.  I just keep up with maintenance doses every 6-8 weeks.  Sometimes more often if I have the time.  Best of luck!

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Re: Preferred psychedelic for mental health? [Re: Labman] * 1
    #28622419 - 01/15/24 05:17 PM (5 months, 8 days ago)

They were cracker dry and I was getting them down with pepsi I think, there was a bit of dry heaving towards the end, and no it wasn't 14g that I ate, that was the total batch, I must have had more like 7-8g, I was looking to do 3-4. Not used to dried mushrooms, all my sub fun was fresh eaten the day I found them. I was a little bit anxious at the time so I wasn't really thinking about what I was doing.

The trees were literally twisting and growing at me, like the real shamanic business, you think it, it happens, I thought I was screwed and I kind of was when I lay down, I mean you don't even relate to it when you get out of it, your brain snaps back to "reality".

Basically it was an oscillating between silent darkness and out on the porch and the mediation between the two - the hallway - was mostly suppressed.

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