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elasticaltiger
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Typerwritermonky said: I got some 2CB but I tried it when I was on an awesome acid trip and it ruined it, so I got turned off from it and gave it all away. The people I gave it to were so confused because they loved it and couldn't ever find it.
The perfect psychedelic for me is LSD-25 as it is with a shorter time frame akin to mushrooms. Peaking in 1 hr, 3 hr peak, and 2h of coming down. At around hour 7, your fairly sober and can easily smoke weed and fall asleep.
LSD-25 is the perfect psychedelic, but it takes me almost 2.5 hours to peak on it, and that come up every time is a challenge for me, no matter how clean the LSD is, yet every time around 2.5 hours in I feel fantastic and once I'm peaking and the come up is over it's smooth sailing. It's not that the come up is so bad, it just lasts so damn long that there are some hard moments to traverse sometimes that can easily set the tone for a bad experience if not handled correctly, and in 2 and a half hours a lot more can go wrong then just one hour of a come up.
Lorenzo from the Psychedelic Salon once spoke of a substance he took that Nick Sands gave him that was LSD that lasted 4 hrs just like I described and you could take it back to back days without issue like DMT. I tried to get him to talk about it more, but he never will - I respect the hell out of the dude and have been supporting him on patreon for years - but I kinda think he was making that one up or misremembered it being maybe something like 2C-B or another RC that Shulgin had developed and just calls it a LSD lysergamide type drug.
If anyone knows him better I'd love to speak with him about this supposed magical LSD that lasts 4 hrs.
If your a patron doesn't that already give you and in?
If you don't feel comfortable just asking you could write up 8 interview questions and tell them you want to do an interview and include that as one of the questions?
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28615442 - 01/09/24 04:05 PM (18 days, 16 hours ago) |
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2CB is like mescaline , without the legs IMO
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#28615445 - 01/09/24 04:08 PM (18 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Does it have any characteristics that mescaline does not? Or is it just as you say, lacking the legs?
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Bardy] 1
#28615470 - 01/09/24 04:34 PM (18 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Well you can easily snort it , as it's much more potent by weight , as far as effects go - it seems to share the qualities of mescaline visuals opposed to LSD or mushrooms
It just doesn't last too long at all especially insufflated , tripping within 10-20m and by 2 hours if not increasing dosage with small bumps you come down - and the tolerance is super forgiving
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: connectedcosmos] 1
#28615495 - 01/09/24 04:56 PM (18 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Sounds pretty good to me
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Bardy] 1
#28615522 - 01/09/24 05:16 PM (18 days, 15 hours ago) |
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If you ever have the chance , definitely scoop some up I think I used 600mg or so within a year or two
Such a versatile drug I combined it with shrooms, LSD , nitrous , 5mapb and 6apb
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#28616082 - 01/10/24 07:51 AM (18 days, 46 minutes ago) |
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2cb hits my heart and stomach in an uncomfortable way. the headspace is okay, authentic, humorous, erotic, ... it reminds me of shrooms with an easier head
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: epilectric]
#28616207 - 01/10/24 10:25 AM (17 days, 22 hours ago) |
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LSD with a shorter duration, euphoria tantamount to MDMA and no come down?
Wouldn't get rid of the tolerance though as it already sounds unhealthy/dangerous enough!
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28617803 - 01/11/24 04:22 PM (16 days, 16 hours ago) |
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wolf8312 said: LSD with a shorter duration, euphoria tantamount to MDMA and no come down?
Wouldn't get rid of the tolerance though as it already sounds unhealthy/dangerous enough!
I'm with this guy, except if you could CONTROL the duration somehow during the trip + MDMA +++ XANAX
I've shroomed lately. Just makes me miss blotters
Also, no long term effects.
I used to put a notch with a knife on my headboard for every trip i did. i was a little over 150 separate lsd trips when i got busy on other stuff.
I've done a TON of MDMA, was a Coke/Heroin (technically speedball) addict for over a decade and nothing messed me up long-term like Acid. 25 years later it still affects me.
I would tell the young-ins try not to trip on LSD more than 5-10 times depending on strength. Like no more than 5-10 separate trips or your playing with losing touch with reality in some sense, for years.
Oh and the wrong dose of MDMA can wipe the brain like a bad hard drive, saw it happen to a good buddy, from 1 dose.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: dovedescent7]
#28617819 - 01/11/24 04:36 PM (16 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Yeah I feel like I had one of those brain wiping MDMA trips once… wasn’t completely wiped lol, but that combined with some really rough and intense shroom trips at the time plus one bad acid trip made me feel like more of an outcast than I already did.
Then the way I dealt with that was to smoke heaps of weed… not a good way of trying to integrate back into society.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: dovedescent7] 1
#28617977 - 01/11/24 06:50 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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dovedescent7 said:
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wolf8312 said: LSD with a shorter duration, euphoria tantamount to MDMA and no come down?
Wouldn't get rid of the tolerance though as it already sounds unhealthy/dangerous enough!
I'm with this guy, except if you could CONTROL the duration somehow during the trip + MDMA +++ XANAX
I've shroomed lately. Just makes me miss blotters
Also, no long term effects.
I used to put a notch with a knife on my headboard for every trip i did. i was a little over 150 separate lsd trips when i got busy on other stuff.
I've done a TON of MDMA, was a Coke/Heroin (technically speedball) addict for over a decade and nothing messed me up long-term like Acid. 25 years later it still affects me.
I would tell the young-ins try not to trip on LSD more than 5-10 times depending on strength. Like no more than 5-10 separate trips or your playing with losing touch with reality in some sense, for years.
Oh and the wrong dose of MDMA can wipe the brain like a bad hard drive, saw it happen to a good buddy, from 1 dose.
If I notched my headboard every time I tripped in my life, I would be sleeping in a pile of sawdust.
I feel like all of the other drugs I did hurt my brain and body WAY worse than the psychedelics did.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Pluviophile]
#28617991 - 01/11/24 07:08 PM (16 days, 13 hours ago) |
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If I notched my headboard every time I tripped in my life, I would be sleeping in a pile of sawdust.
I feel like all of the other drugs I did hurt my brain and body WAY worse than the psychedelics did.
Have to agree here. Every come down from a full on trip makes me feel like I'm coming out of a baptism. Cleansed, purified.
Well maybe not salvia...
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: dovedescent7]
#28618525 - 01/12/24 09:49 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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dovedescent7 said:
I've done a TON of MDMA, was a Coke/Heroin (technically speedball) addict for over a decade and nothing messed me up long-term like Acid. 25 years later it still affects me.
I would tell the young-ins try not to trip on LSD more than 5-10 times depending on strength. Like no more than 5-10 separate trips or your playing with losing touch with reality in some sense, for years.
Oh and the wrong dose of MDMA can wipe the brain like a bad hard drive, saw it happen to a good buddy, from 1 dose.
Curious why LSD has fucked you up so bad especially 25 years later?
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#28618552 - 01/12/24 10:21 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I'm also curious about this.
I've taken LSD more times than I can remember, including too much one time, that was unpleasant. However I've not had the impression that it harmed me in any lasting way.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Pluviophile]
#28618553 - 01/12/24 10:24 AM (15 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Pluviophile said: If I notched my headboard every time I tripped in my life, I would be sleeping in a pile of sawdust.
I feel like all of the other drugs I did hurt my brain and body WAY worse than the psychedelics did.
Same here I feel it’s done nothing but help. Short term off and on meth use way back in the day I feel had a negative effect. Heavy daily drinking and anti social behavior for years definitely had a major negative effect.
Psychedelics have been nothing but good to me. There’s been some challenging exposures of forgotten inner demons I had no idea were affecting me. Different lines of questioning and struggling to deal with that aspect at times. Living outside of societies standards so to speak and “common sense expectations” if you will, but going back to child good I’ve never really felt like I fit in or belonged as it is. Not even at home or at school.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: PancyanterA]
#28618569 - 01/12/24 10:43 AM (15 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Pluviophile said: If I notched my headboard every time I tripped in my life, I would be sleeping in a pile of sawdust.
I feel like all of the other drugs I did hurt my brain and body WAY worse than the psychedelics did.
Same here I feel it’s done nothing but help. Short term off and on meth use way back in the day I feel had a negative effect. Heavy daily drinking and anti social behavior for years definitely had a major negative effect.
Psychedelics have been nothing but good to me. There’s been some challenging exposures of forgotten inner demons I had no idea were affecting me. Different lines of questioning and struggling to deal with that aspect at times. Living outside of societies standards so to speak and “common sense expectations” if you will, but going back to child good I’ve never really felt like I fit in or belonged as it is. Not even at home or at school.
It's gonna be OK Pan.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28618615 - 01/12/24 11:34 AM (15 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Haha thanks! It absolutely is!
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Re: If you could design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Northerner]
#28619185 - 01/12/24 08:56 PM (15 days, 11 hours ago) |
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If I had the power of the universe, I would create a psychedelic that would cause someone to have a really good trip right before a really bad one, and then bring them back the good trip and then take them back down to a bad one before slowly bringing them back up to a peak and then back down to baseline.
Why?
The reason why, is because this yoyo effect can cause the realization and appreciation of each side and make better for the trip experience.
As a "higher power" having the ability to do this would train the human brain to accept suffering and accept nothing as granted. In addition cause the inner chi of the person to activate.
Once the inner chi is activated, there is no telling what that person could do. They could become martial arts experts or CEO's of powerful lawfirms, or... just the worlds best mountain hiker and survivalist.
Neat thread BTW
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Re: If you could design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Shroomers420]
#28619234 - 01/12/24 09:40 PM (15 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Yeah this is a neat thread. It's interesting to see that the perspectives of what's desirable really range all over the spectrum from people who wouldn't change a thing to people who desire something completely fantastical. Just goes to show you how hard it is to study these compounds when everyone's personal experiences are so unique.
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Re: If you could design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28619242 - 01/12/24 09:50 PM (15 days, 10 hours ago) |
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What would it be like?
Something natural, evolving, almost like….wait a sec…
Sentient Life?
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