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Northerner
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If you could design the perfect psychedelic? 2
#28610319 - 01/05/24 10:22 AM (22 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Imagine for a moment you have the power of the universe and you could create the perfect psychedelic. What would it be like?
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Northerner] 3
#28610326 - 01/05/24 10:30 AM (22 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Lsd that only lasts for 5-6 hours would be nice.
It’s hard for me to find time to use lsd nowadays because it’s such a long experience.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Pluviophile] 1
#28610364 - 01/05/24 11:13 AM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Pluviophile said: Lsd that only lasts for 5-6 hours would be nice.
It’s hard for me to find time to use lsd nowadays because it’s such a long experience.
This, but with zero tolerance build up.
and it grew on trees  
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Womble] 1
#28610367 - 01/05/24 11:14 AM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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and with some kind of instant trip killer - like eat a banana or something and the trip instantly stops
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Womble]
#28610373 - 01/05/24 11:17 AM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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instant tripping after insufflating small line, no tolerance, no ld-50, legal.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Pluviophile] 2
#28610395 - 01/05/24 11:29 AM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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I’d want to say any of them without the mindfuck and scary parts, also without the hard bodily sensations and nausea, and rough transition as the egoic self is taken over. However I’ve learned so much from all of it. I don’t get to to be in charge, I don’t fully get to say how it’s going to go down, and that has been so humbling that it makes me approach consensus reality with more space and openness. So actually I wouldn’t change a thing I’m so grateful the psychedelic space is there for us with all of its challenges.
Sorry I failed your excellent thought experiment question.
(Also no fake or dangerous drugs to mistake, it’s comforting to know on aya and shrooms that you can’t OD)
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28610398 - 01/05/24 11:32 AM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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I think sclerotia are pretty close for me honestly.
Clear headed, very visual, minimal body load. Short enough duration I can take it without it dominating my whole day. Clear headed enough I can have morphing 3-D open and closed eye visuals but still carry on a conversation.
Redosing without ever getting a headache would be nice. But taking to much of any tryptamine gives me headaches on the comedown.
Just getting into Pan Bisporus and they seem pretty nice too. The body load is more intense but pleasurable (body buzz more than load). Similar to a good DMT body buzz that can disolve you into everything. But I've only taken a quarter gram so far. I suspect a half gram would be about 1/8th of non-PE cubes only more clear headed and a better body high. Looking forward to testing the water at that dose in the coming week or two.
@chuck, check out stones if you haven't yet. Fresh if you can. They sound like they might be what you're looking for.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: tree frog] 1
#28610514 - 01/05/24 01:16 PM (22 days, 9 hours ago) |
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I would design a beatiful flower with great smell, once you smell you will go to tryptamine realm instantly for 4 hours and back to reality with afterglow. This plant would be so agressive and reproductive that it grows everywhere in every climate in summer or winter. so aggressive that cannot be controlled by goverments, or bad organizations or bad people.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: taskamil]
#28610565 - 01/05/24 02:05 PM (22 days, 8 hours ago) |
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ET-69 - the perfect psychedelic.
No nausea Easily weighed dosage amounts in half gram increments per trip level (level 5 trips guaranteed at 2.6 grams) Last 3 to 6 hours. No tolerance developed. Easily produceable using common household ingredients without any chemistry know how yet people always willing to pay full price. All the visual effects of lsd and shrooms with a great body high but still allows for perfect hand eye coordination. Mild serotonin effects similar to mdma Trip can be ended quickly by ingesting something bubbly.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: elasticaltiger] 1
#28610571 - 01/05/24 02:13 PM (22 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Subtropicalis with an off/pause switch.. or even a glaucine mode.. and a cattle prod for when the octostumps get too personal. Shadow dude can screw himself. The peanuts are for them.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#28610667 - 01/05/24 03:16 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago) |
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The perfect psychedelic for me would have the combined visual effects of lsd, psilocybin, ketamine, mescaline, and dmt.
The compound takes an hour to peak, you plateau for three hours and then the come down is 1-2 hours. There is no nausea or discomfort.
The psychedelic does not really build tolerance that fast, so you could redose an hour before the peak ends, and have a solid 8 hour trip if you wanted to
That would be what I would invent
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: skOsH]
#28610672 - 01/05/24 03:21 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago) |
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A shorter tail end ketamine like one. I like the heavy deep far out trips. Just always forgets lasts so long and tend to make difficult coming out of.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Northerner] 2
#28610686 - 01/05/24 03:32 PM (22 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Question @ Notherner?
Are we self limiting to modern day limits or can we go bonkers with the Trek/Force of how 'it' is? 
I'd take many of what's already been shared and distill the best shared aspects into an elixir and be done with it .
Ha, jk.
Its kind of odd to answer this Q.
Psychedelia fungi, LSD, Mescaline, Salvia d, Cannabis, and other similar psychedelic substances are already so absurdly mind-blowingly amazing its marvelous. Sure, subtracting undsireable side efx would be cool for many who suffer them, but dang.
You've already inflamed desire with wishes with this thread, self included.
Hahaha!...
*pulls up to the Northerner's drive through window to place an order*
*long pause*
Ughhhh....
I'll take an abundantly available, 100% legal, 0% stigmatized throughout the entirety of the world - no matter which nation or what location one finds themselves.
"uhhhhm, hnnn.. alrighty. I'd like one 'perfect psychedelic', plz, the one WITH the combo meal, cool? thanx!"  .
 
Let's see here...
I'd prefer:
No requisite RX, no limits upon quantities. Controlled for safety reasons, yet regulated by Ythan because I said so.
Additionally, No tolerance, No harmful effects upon the body related to its usage - despite frequency, dosages, or duration used.
Depending on prefered ROA: Kicks in @ 1 second. The second most preferred ROA @ 10 seconds, the third most @ 60 seconds, or maybe having some time to gear up, so speak, and prep, allowing a route which withholds all efx until @ 1 hour.
Note: whichever is chosen, when it hits? It does so straight from the peak efx. 
... but, as for the duration? I don't know? How about as long as it takes or can it stop on cue via some action or other non harmful, unhindering substance? :stroke beard:
I may have to give the whole notion of 'my' & 'perfect psychedelic' a bit more more thought.
However, my dearest psychonauts...
It, umm...it does have 3 major side effects.
1) Near as to infinitely scalable efx as possible wrt dosage and roa.
2) Actualizable siddhis, and other siddhi-like tricks and treats potentially available on cue (*optional) at any given time during the experience from the perfect psychedelic. 
3) Upon Mastery of # 2 ~ a previously unknown-unknown yet novel biochemical reaction , IDK - say, a genetic anomaly occurs from it after so and so related to the substance. Whatever does the trick is it ~ something to somehow enable a mode of being allowing an available option for turning on or off a partial or full sharing in another's mind via one's own psychedelic trip thanks to the 'perfect substabce'.
Experiential POV, mind wrt the senses & perception with another for true....justimagine it.
of say....Logical Chaos, Northerner, Asante, RGV, SBC, Ythan, SS, or anyone else for that matter.
Whoever the potential candidate - if mutually agreed upon - with the tripper actually tripping able to transmit it in all its features as simulated to you while they're tripping on the 'perfect psychedelic', or anyone else for that matter.
Ie. Shared sensory perception of some variety. Maybe Vulcan-esque mind melding of a sort. Some variation of the theme only while retaining the option for privacy at any instant, sounds as sweet as could be, imho.
In addition to trips, it extends the same stipulations as mentioned for tripping as just mentioned, plus, the experience of sharing in of that of dream-mode/dream/dreaming in general, too.
Basically: Star Trek Holo Deck without the Star Trek or the Holo Deck. Just psychedelic expeirence and or dream plus easter egg Siddhis and then some with one's knowledge at hand/hand, and, all our experiences still neural-based memory, too.
a so-called genuine meeting of the Minds via Brain:Brain synchrony harmonizing appropriately so as to enable the phenomenologically holographic-like dreamy yet however one, or, many - might wish.
Non harmful to one's actual creature, imho, it seems like there'd be next to an infinitely infinitive infinity worth of infinities of near endless extents of pure creativity, play, experimentation, examination, fulfillment....
Essentially? (w)hol(l)y fun. 
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28610716 - 01/05/24 03:52 PM (22 days, 6 hours ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Question @ Notherner?
Are we self limiting to modern day limits or can we go bonkers with the Trek/Force of how 'it' is? 
You're literally given the power of the universe to create your perfect psychedelic substance, so that includes every god and science, known and unknown.
Seems like you came up with some fire gear!
Loving the responses so far.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28610718 - 01/05/24 03:53 PM (22 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I feel like the odd man out in that I like having some tolerance curve on my drugs. Otherwise I'd just trip everyday.
Literally gave away 3/4 gram of 2c-b once upon a time because I was finding myself dosing and watching TV with it like it was weed.
I can't say I never regretted that decision though lol
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Northerner]
#28610759 - 01/05/24 04:31 PM (22 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Northerner said:
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The Blind Ass said: Question @ Notherner?
Are we self limiting to modern day limits or can we go bonkers with the Trek/Force of how 'it' is? 
You're literally given the power of the universe to create your perfect psychedelic substance, so that includes every god and science, known and unknown.
Seems like you came up with some fire gear!
Loving the responses so far. 
Hopefully you'll love them even more so once I find an optometrist.
I'm smashing keys in the dark, at the moment literally, and, wrt vision, ever since my blind ass broke my glasses. Fell asleep reading, woke up, and then rolled over. ...Right onto the suckers without realizing it until hearing that wallet piercing, heart breaking 'crackling pop'. 
With that said: 
Regardless of who's undertaking the perfecting of said "perfect psychedelic",
A vivid & lengthy lingering afterglow which grants perfect vision ought' to be part of it anyways. 
I bet the perfect psychedelic is cheaper than another pair of the same glasses.

Ty. 
Carry on with the perfecting, lads. My less fun than making a perfect psychedelic substance job beckons.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28610785 - 01/05/24 05:06 PM (22 days, 5 hours ago) |
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hmm i'm already happy with what we have
but apart from that i agree to the ketamine notions before... something more healthy and beneficial like shrooms with the duration and usability of ketamine and maybe a clear lysergic edge 
ketamine has been dubbed god somewhere in the 90s spiral tribe soundsystem rave scene. but it is too hard physically. something with that round god factor, just healthier.
with intricate fractals forming from the center but always in shape and control. clearheaded like lucy but with the flesh of shrooms and the reliability of ketamine
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: epilectric]
#28610837 - 01/05/24 05:51 PM (22 days, 4 hours ago) |
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I think 25i/25c nBome or something similar without any of the health risks or burnout associated with them. They’re wonderfully psychedelic, feel very warm, they’re moderately stimulating and they last about 8 hours which I think is the perfect duration.
-Fully entactogenic like MDMA -Rainbow tracers, fractal open eye visuals
They felt to me as though it would be difficult to have a bad trip on them when taken in the right dosages.
I would probably add some more DMT/psilocybin type visuals to the trip.
Maybe the visuals of the trip could change all the way throughout so you could get a taste of what all the different psychedelics have to offer.
The trip starts off 25i nBome visuals and gradually proceeds through lsd visuals, mushroom visuals, DMT visuals and the lands you in Salvia visuals or something, returning to 25i on the way out, but with only the same amount of head fuck as an average dose of 25i nBome.
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: Northerner]
#28610964 - 01/05/24 08:11 PM (22 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: You're literally given the power of the universe to create your perfect psychedelic substance, so that includes every god and science, known and unknown.
Based off of this. I want the psychedelic to allow you to communicate with spirits. Learn information. To be able to have an afterglow that last for weeks. It would last for hours. while not having it affect any of my locomotion or thought processing abilities. Completely without influence hallucinations. Being able to be teleported to completely different universes. It also tones your muscles. It’s also great for your hair. It boosts your immune system. It makes you more sexually potent. It promotes stamina. It reduces blood pressure. Powerful and spiritual.
When can it be ready?
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Re: If you cold design the perfect psychedelic? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] 2
#28611133 - 01/06/24 01:44 AM (21 days, 20 hours ago) |
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CHUCK.HNTR said: I’d want to say any of them without the mindfuck and scary parts, also without the hard bodily sensations and nausea, and rough transition as the egoic self is taken over. However I’ve learned so much from all of it. I don’t get to to be in charge, I don’t fully get to say how it’s going to go down, and that has been so humbling that it makes me approach consensus reality with more space and openness. So actually I wouldn’t change a thing I’m so grateful the psychedelic space is there for us with all of its challenges.
In an ideal world we could imagine just the euphoria or afterglow in a drug.
Yet we realize that the euphoria and afterglow are essentially causally related to the hard chills, sweats, fear and 'activation' that comes with psychedelics. The comeup is required for the subsequent glow.
If, though, I could tip the scales and just plant myself right in the most pleasurable part of the experience - right after the ordeal, into the part where I rest in the infinite, followed by a cool glow - I'd probably dose that pill.
But since the world is not ideal, the harsh parts of psychedelics may serve instructive or moral value, as they frequently bring up precisely the things we don't want to think about, and force a confrontation. So we might conclude like CHUCK.HNTR that it is better that these drugs are the way they are.
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