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I know this is old but I want to bump this specific conversation. I hope those of you are still around and somehow see this.
I have also found evidence of what I think are cubensis. Detailed photos, specimen, spore print etc I have it now I need to know what to do. I have tried to ask in mycology Hawaii etc to no avail.
I have much info and more to say but I'll save it for a new post if no one replies here. Im local, west side, BI.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609675 - 01/04/24 04:48 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Now that you are making this claim here on the Shroomery, I and others will appreciate it if you make a post with your photos here so we are able to comment in an informed way.
But I also suggest making observations on iNat and Mushroom observer if you want to get the specimen sequenced.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Mycoangulo] 1
#28609681 - 01/04/24 04:56 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Hardly necessary to sequence P. cubensis, and they are known to grow in at least three of the islands, if not more. Panaeolus cyanescens is also present in the same habitats. Even Psilocybe cyanescens has been found there a couple of times apparently in a Rhododendron grove, growing in wood chips.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Mycoangulo] 1
#28609703 - 01/04/24 05:12 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Thank you for your reply. My bad not trying to make claims but I do have this mushroom that I keep running into I think it's active and my closest guess is cubensis, but it's missing some traits?
Description: Hawaii, 1000ft, grass pasture in and near manure. Brown to reddish brown gills when mature, light brown when younger. Spore print brown. Stem long and thin, but hardy. No observed annulus. No immediate blue bruising, or blue bruise stems like panaeolus cyanescens. But on the most recent find (pic 3) I feel like I see hints of blue? They are always next to panaeolus cyanescens.
I know a lot of species have not been identified so curious if this is worth looking into.
Mycologists Hawaii someone suggested Agrocybe (pediades, semiorbicularis).
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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Very cool! Thanks for sharing! 
Those definitely look like wild cubes. Somewhat similar to the one I found (mine was an off-white color thou). However, the brownish spore print is a bit unusual. I have heard of "Golden spore" strains of Cubes however so it isnt too unusual i guess.
I do see some very light bruising on the cap (i think?).
With a trained nose, you can smell the psilocin/psilocybin in a fresh fruit. Sorta like "fermented fruit juice".
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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Awesome great news! Thanks for the reply LogicaL!
Isn't it so curious the brown spore. It confuses me so much. See how the young are even lighter. Less pronounced central bump. It's almost a sub species.
I can confirm they're active.
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#28609760 - 01/04/24 05:58 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Sorry, but with that appearance and the dull brown print I think Agrocybe.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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I can confirm they're active.
They're not cubensis, that's for sure. How did you confirm that? By eating them together with some of those pans? 😄
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
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Sadly they are not Psilocybe cubensis
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I can confirm they're active.
They're not cubensis, that's for sure. How did you confirm that? By eating them together with some of those pans? 😄
Ok sure it may not be cubensis. But it's something awesome!!! I knew it wasn't quite fitting the cubensis... isn't it fascinating!! Could it be a cross? Or sub species?
I know it's active, quite strong. I did preliminary tests, then a big test, over a month giving time in between for clear system. If you don't think it's active that's fine more for me, anyone can see for themselves.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
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Sorry, but with that appearance and the dull brown print I think Agrocybe.
U think so? I looked up some Agrocybes, the pediadas species looks pretty close but still doesnt look exactly 
If you would throw out a guess of what species it could be, that would be pretty helpful
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
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I found this article on Wikipedia about a possible psychedelic Psilocybin Agrocybe in Japan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrocybe_farinacea
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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The smallest of those three caps seems to be different. Also, at the bottom of your sporeprint sheet there's a spot with a different colour. Is that spores?
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
How is it not possible? We know what, 1% of the all mushrooms?
I am quite confident in that it's active. But I If there's any doubt, can see for yourself ... ??? I'll do another moderate for the sake of science
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609880 - 01/04/24 08:00 PM (23 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: The smallest of those three caps seems to be different. Also, at the bottom of your sporeprint sheet there's a spot with a different colour. Is that spores?
Probably one of the Panaeolus cyanescens that he holds in the last picture?
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
How is it not possible? We know what, 1% of the all mushrooms?
I am quite confident in that it's active. But I If there's any doubt, can see for yourself ... ??? I'll do another moderate for the sake of science</font>
No species in the genus Agrocybe are psychoactive. Not saying that it isn't possible that there are ones yet unknown to science. But among the known species, there are absolutely none.
The mushrooms you're asking about here are most likely in that genus. If you consumed these without eating any known psychoactive species at the same time, it is very unlikely that you experienced any real effects. That being said, if you actually suspect that you have found an undescribed psychoactive species, you should refrain from eating them at all, but rather photograph, collect and dry as many as possible for the purpose of further analysis.
I'm also a bit confused when you say you have tested these with one month intervals (if I'm not utterly mistaken), given that there are only two of them in the pictures, i.e. the two you have spore printed. Did you find more of the same species, and in that case, are you certain they are all the same species?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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The bottom of the spore print sheet is just a shadow. I placed it in sun
LogicaL Chaos said: I found this article on Wikipedia about a possible psychedelic Psilocybin Agrocybe in Japan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrocybe_farinacea
Too unconfirmed?
Very interesting ...
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I'm also a bit confused when you say you have tested these with one month intervals (if I'm not utterly mistaken), given that there are only two of them in the pictures, i.e. the two you have spore printed. Did you find more of the same species, and in that case, are you certain they are all the same species?
I have suspected this for some time as I have said I keep running into this mushroom, it's prob the #2 most common in the area. I attempted to identify without picking it, just pics, research, no luck. So I decided I have to do it, learnt the local possibilities, mushrooms in general etc. I started collecting, dry, freeze, spore prints, documenting pics, vids. There was only one way to to truly know more.... Small amounts one week apart, over a month no other stuff. Then a museum. Now I'm here. Idk. I will continue to collect. I think they may be better than pans at least for me.
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You're most likely eating a couple of species. You might've gotten some cambodginiensis in the mix. They usually have, at least in the wild, a more tan colour. About the same strength as cyanescens. You also have bisporus there, but I think that one's a bit rare. Also tropicalis but that one is macroscopically identical to cyanescens. There's no chance you're finding anything stronger than these pans in Hawaii.
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Here's a another batch can see the brown spore print vs the black pans

Here's another pic of the same spore print different light no sunlight. Darker brown looking


Top and bottom pics. Sometimes they can look like this fresh: grey-brown-white gills but after a night on a plate they look like:
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Psilosadhu said: You're most likely eating a couple of species. You might've gotten some cambodginiensis in the mix. They usually have, at least in the wild, a more tan colour. About the same strength as cyanescens. You also have bisporus there, but I think that one's a bit rare. Also tropicalis but that one is macroscopically identical to cyanescens. There's no chance you're finding anything stronger than these pans in Hawaii.
Eating a couple species? When I run this test it is only w confirmed brown spores that also visually qualify I don't test with "what ifs". If your referring to the pic of the gills with stem and then the small bottom corner of my pic of my handful of random mushrooms yes I am fully aware I have tons of species I have not yet separated that is an on the go photo!
I understand the skepticism! I don't really care. I have others willing to help now, we will keep y'all posted for sure!!
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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Well, then you might've got them mixed with cubes. In any way they're not stronger than pans, far from it. Can you post a clear photo of some bruising?
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Ok true true it's too soon to jump to stronger than pans or anything active for that matter. Since it's just me. So all I can do is continue to collect based on spore print and visuals. I'm sure other locals have some knowledge on it I just haven't made the connections yet. I'm a take a stab at getting microscopic with it. I have some that want to find out too so I will report back in time. Perhaps after this weekend.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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Cool. But in the meantime, can you show us a picture of some blue bruising on this one?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
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When it comes to identification spore prints don’t mean all that much. I’m not suggesting you ignore the spore colour, but there are many other features that deserve the same level of attention.
I don’t know what you have been focusing on in person but there isn’t nearly as much attention given to the stipes in your photos as I think is due.
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No I can't. I can merely speculate that there is some faint blue bruising possible in pic below. But that could from pans handled.
Have defrosted one frozen "specimens" and there is only brown juice, no other colors really.
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I don’t know what you have been focusing on in person but there isn’t nearly as much attention given to the stipes in your photos as I think is due.
I see. The stipe? Could you advise what to look for? I will research more into it. It's hollow, and rather hardy more than pans tend to be. But I know there's textures and other feature I need to learn to see.
have been trying to start with spore print, and color because people always say I can't tell you much by a picture unless I have a spore print. Lol. So I started there.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
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Here's a another batch can see the brown spore print vs the black pans

Here's another pic of the same spore print different light no sunlight. Darker brown looking


Top and bottom pics. Sometimes they can look like this fresh: grey-brown-white gills but after a night on a plate they look like:

Okay, these prints look different to the previous ones you posted. These look darker brown, and seem to have a more purplish tint to them. The others were what I'd call "tobacco brown".
If you already didn't say, may I ask on which of the islands you're finding these?
Getting more curious about these now. I suggest you document them more and try to take a lot more in situ pictures, preferably also try to get shots of immature specimens. Detailed close ups in outdoor daylight are essential.
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I think they are Agrocybe pediades, which can resemble cubes and can grow from manure.
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I would rather suggest something like A. arvalis, due to the stature, the straight, upwardly narrowing stem and especially the kind of angular "rooting" of the stem base with rhizomorphic mycelium attached, like you can see in the last of the following pictures:
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
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If you already didn't say, may I ask on which of the islands you're finding these?
Getting more curious about these now. I suggest you document them more and try to take a lot more in situ pictures, preferably also try to get shots of immature specimens. Detailed close ups in outdoor daylight are essential.
Ok my bad yeah its like a dark brown put it in the sun to show the "brownness" but that changed it way too much.
I agree need to do way better situ, and in the field. I'm gonna check it today.
I have yet to be confident in finding an immature specimen. All the pins I see kinda look the same, should one be able to ID the difference species from the pin alone?
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A pin I suspected but could be anything
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I would rather suggest something like A. arvalis, due to the stature, the straight, upwardly narrowing stem and especially the kind of angular "rooting" of the stem base with rhizomorphic mycelium attached, like you can see in the last of the following pictures:
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
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Re: Possibly active species found in Hawaii (moved) [Re: GaiaOne]
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A pin I suspected but could be anything
Looks like immature Panaeolus cyanescens.
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
I'll document this location. It is quite a stroke of luck this spot. Worried about weather changes but you can never tell, plan to check today or very soon will update.
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How about you try and damage some of the caps and stem, see if they get any more blue on the damaged places ? You probably have both Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolus cyanescens laced with some Agrocybe.
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Wanting something to be what you believe it to be can be dangerous my friend, admire your dedication but there's no traits leaning towards psilocybe cubensis other than a superficially similar coloration to the top of the cap. If you are intent on discovering a new species probably best not to try to force it into a group based on bias and longing. You might miss the real story. Give your observations a true objectivness and see what you find. Good luck, but please I implore you to stop eating unidentified shrooms, too dangerous unfortunately, and not a good message for others.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: kateastrophy] 1
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kateastrophy said: Wanting something to be what you believe it to be can be dangerous my friend, admire your dedication but there's no traits leaning towards psilocybe cubensis other than a superficially similar coloration to the top of the cap. If you are intent on discovering a new species probably best not to try to force it into a group based on bias and longing. You might miss the real story. Give your observations a true objectivness and see what you find. Good luck, but please I implore you to stop eating unidentified shrooms, too dangerous unfortunately, and not a good message for others.
Good advice, and it is mandatory practice to get the science correct before consumption. As well as an informative and factual presentation of any and every species present. If not only for personal safety, also for the sceintific value. I vaguely remember Alan warning someone about not eating the possible type collection of a new species.
That being said, all we've seen in pictures here so far is a mix of Panaeolys cyanescens and a likely Agrocybe species.
Still, being Hawaii, it is interesting as location in its own right. I remember one guy finding some massive patches of Psilocybe cyanescens in Maui, if I'm not mistaken.
I also remember someone setting out rumours that mushroom hunters in Hawaii risked getting abducted and gang raped by the locals.
Pretty hilarious what people do to try protecting their spots.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii *DELETED* [Re: GaiaOne]
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Towns77]
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Did you put those mushrooms in the same bag as the actives? It almost looks like some of the blue pigment rubbed off onto those caps
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GaiaOne said: No I can't. I can merely speculate that there is some faint blue bruising possible in pic below. But that could from pans handled.
Have defrosted one frozen "specimens" and there is only brown juice, no other colors really.

I see that too, but inactive species bruise mildly blue as well. You can easily solve this debate immediately by ordering a psilocybin presence test and testing for it.
Miraculix makes a test kit you can order today and test for psilocybin content and prove your findings objectively true or false. Please do this, I'm sure people are interested albeit fairly skeptical. So getting objective data helps us see more than your empirical reports.
Also never understimate the placebo effect - I thought I found san pedro cacti once. Prepped and brewed and took it and felt mildly high, like I took .5g of mushrooms. But it wasn't san pedro, it was completely inactive, but I still felt something.
I would say applying the miraculix test is unnecessary in this case, at least at this point in the identification process, since we can find out whether it's an active species or not if certain other criteria are met, than just bluing. That would be spore print color as well as other macrocharacteristics, and also microcharacteristics and eventually a DNA sequence.
As far as I know there are neither any inactive gilled species that actually bruise blue, rather there are some that have blue tones inherently, which also tend to fade with time - unlike the bruising in actives which increase rather than diminish.
Apart from that, I don't believe this discussion can go much further without more pictures and information.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
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kateastrophy said: Wanting something to be what you believe it to be can be dangerous my friend, admire your dedication but there's no traits leaning towards psilocybe cubensis other than a superficially similar coloration to the top of the cap. If you are intent on discovering a new species probably best not to try to force it into a group based on bias and longing. You might miss the real story. Give your observations a true objectivness and see what you find. Good luck, but please I implore you to stop eating unidentified shrooms, too dangerous unfortunately, and not a good message for others.
Feel it was performed w sincere objectivism. Serious risk, aware of the sheer amount of pure idiocy. This was not a one time thing, I know it's a big claim.
Yes I was, am still, totally excited. It would be nice to have a different strain, even a regular edible. Plenty of blue pans. Apologies didn't mean to force it on here Excited for interaction and thankful for suggestions either way.
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GaiaOne said: No I can't. I can merely speculate that there is some faint blue bruising possible in pic below. But that could from pans handled.
Have defrosted one frozen "specimens" and there is only brown juice, no other colors really.

I see that too, but inactive species bruise mildly blue as well. You can easily solve this debate immediately by ordering a psilocybin presence test and testing for it.
Miraculix makes a test kit you can order today and test for psilocybin content and prove your findings objectively true or false. Please do this, I'm sure people are interested albeit fairly skeptical. So getting objective data helps us see more than your empirical reports.
Also never understimate the placebo effect - I thought I found san pedro cacti once. Prepped and brewed and took it and felt mildly high, like I took .5g of mushrooms. But it wasn't san pedro, it was completely inactive, but I still felt something.
Thx found the Miraculix test ordered it. Didnt know or else probs would have done that first, at least lmao.
I'm considering placebo. I sat and stared at the stupid brown juice questioning life. I considered a poisoning. Can a poisoning feel like an active, like a low dose poisoning. Would think there'd be pain or discomfort and not just fun feels...... Also made me think of the chorophyllum molybdites for example is extremely poisonous to most, and yet some people go totally unharmed.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Moria841]
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Moria841 said: Did you put those mushrooms in the same bag as the actives? It almost looks like some of the blue pigment rubbed off onto those caps
In the same container for 15mins so I cant be sure. Also by being handled
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28624092 - 01/16/24 10:24 PM (11 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Free DNA barcoding is available to anyone anywhere nowadays, you just have to make an Inaturalist observation, dry the sample, and mail it in to the Ohio mushroom DNA lab. Follow these instructions on their protocol document.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nSKlouFy1Z3OXbCf2cWiKH0hkDnFKZvPn6_oCr3vEK0/edit
you should send a sample in!
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne] 2
#28626999 - 01/19/24 10:21 AM (8 days, 23 hours ago) |
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If you can spare one of those brown prints I can do microscopy on them. That would at least confirm or rule out if they are Psilocybe vs Agrocybe.
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