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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28609970 - 01/04/24 09:55 PM (23 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: You're most likely eating a couple of species. You might've gotten some cambodginiensis in the mix. They usually have, at least in the wild, a more tan colour. About the same strength as cyanescens. You also have bisporus there, but I think that one's a bit rare. Also tropicalis but that one is macroscopically identical to cyanescens. There's no chance you're finding anything stronger than these pans in Hawaii.
Eating a couple species? When I run this test it is only w confirmed brown spores that also visually qualify I don't test with "what ifs". If your referring to the pic of the gills with stem and then the small bottom corner of my pic of my handful of random mushrooms yes I am fully aware I have tons of species I have not yet separated that is an on the go photo!
I understand the skepticism! I don't really care. I have others willing to help now, we will keep y'all posted for sure!!
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609994 - 01/04/24 10:27 PM (23 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Well, then you might've got them mixed with cubes. In any way they're not stronger than pans, far from it. Can you post a clear photo of some bruising?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28610016 - 01/04/24 11:04 PM (23 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Ok true true it's too soon to jump to stronger than pans or anything active for that matter. Since it's just me. So all I can do is continue to collect based on spore print and visuals. I'm sure other locals have some knowledge on it I just haven't made the connections yet. I'm a take a stab at getting microscopic with it. I have some that want to find out too so I will report back in time. Perhaps after this weekend.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28610024 - 01/04/24 11:29 PM (23 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Cool. But in the meantime, can you show us a picture of some blue bruising on this one?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28610046 - 01/05/24 12:12 AM (23 days, 9 hours ago) |
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When it comes to identification spore prints don’t mean all that much. I’m not suggesting you ignore the spore colour, but there are many other features that deserve the same level of attention.
I don’t know what you have been focusing on in person but there isn’t nearly as much attention given to the stipes in your photos as I think is due.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28610053 - 01/05/24 12:38 AM (23 days, 9 hours ago) |
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No I can't. I can merely speculate that there is some faint blue bruising possible in pic below. But that could from pans handled.
Have defrosted one frozen "specimens" and there is only brown juice, no other colors really.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28610056 - 01/05/24 12:48 AM (23 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Mycoangulo said: When it comes to identification spore prints don’t mean all that much. I’m not suggesting you ignore the spore colour, but there are many other features that deserve the same level of attention.
I don’t know what you have been focusing on in person but there isn’t nearly as much attention given to the stipes in your photos as I think is due.
I see. The stipe? Could you advise what to look for? I will research more into it. It's hollow, and rather hardy more than pans tend to be. But I know there's textures and other feature I need to learn to see.
have been trying to start with spore print, and color because people always say I can't tell you much by a picture unless I have a spore print. Lol. So I started there.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28610098 - 01/05/24 03:22 AM (23 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Here's a another batch can see the brown spore print vs the black pans

Here's another pic of the same spore print different light no sunlight. Darker brown looking


Top and bottom pics. Sometimes they can look like this fresh: grey-brown-white gills but after a night on a plate they look like:

Okay, these prints look different to the previous ones you posted. These look darker brown, and seem to have a more purplish tint to them. The others were what I'd call "tobacco brown".
If you already didn't say, may I ask on which of the islands you're finding these?
Getting more curious about these now. I suggest you document them more and try to take a lot more in situ pictures, preferably also try to get shots of immature specimens. Detailed close ups in outdoor daylight are essential.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28610185 - 01/05/24 07:03 AM (23 days, 2 hours ago) |
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I think they are Agrocybe pediades, which can resemble cubes and can grow from manure.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Towns77]
#28610331 - 01/05/24 10:44 AM (22 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Towns77 said: I think they are Agrocybe pediades, which can resemble cubes and can grow from manure.
I would rather suggest something like A. arvalis, due to the stature, the straight, upwardly narrowing stem and especially the kind of angular "rooting" of the stem base with rhizomorphic mycelium attached, like you can see in the last of the following pictures:
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28610402 - 01/05/24 11:34 AM (22 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Okay, these prints look different to the previous ones you posted. These look darker brown, and seem to have a more purplish tint to them. The others were what I'd call "tobacco brown".
If you already didn't say, may I ask on which of the islands you're finding these?
Getting more curious about these now. I suggest you document them more and try to take a lot more in situ pictures, preferably also try to get shots of immature specimens. Detailed close ups in outdoor daylight are essential.
Ok my bad yeah its like a dark brown put it in the sun to show the "brownness" but that changed it way too much.
I agree need to do way better situ, and in the field. I'm gonna check it today.
I have yet to be confident in finding an immature specimen. All the pins I see kinda look the same, should one be able to ID the difference species from the pin alone?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28610407 - 01/05/24 11:37 AM (22 days, 22 hours ago) |
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A pin I suspected but could be anything
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28610421 - 01/05/24 11:55 AM (22 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Towns77 said: I think they are Agrocybe pediades, which can resemble cubes and can grow from manure.
I would rather suggest something like A. arvalis, due to the stature, the straight, upwardly narrowing stem and especially the kind of angular "rooting" of the stem base with rhizomorphic mycelium attached, like you can see in the last of the following pictures:
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
Much better fit
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Re: Possibly active species found in Hawaii (moved) [Re: GaiaOne]
#28610485 - 01/05/24 12:45 PM (22 days, 20 hours ago) |
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A pin I suspected but could be anything
Looks like immature Panaeolus cyanescens.
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Re: Possibly active species found in Hawaii (moved) [Re: Anglerfish]
#28610546 - 01/05/24 01:46 PM (22 days, 19 hours ago) |
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I would however like to see a lot more pictures of the mushrooms growing in this specific location. I'm suspecting that there are several species that might superficially resemble each other and also sharing habitat preferences. Manured soil can typically be a real hotbed for a lot of different types of fungi.
I'll document this location. It is quite a stroke of luck this spot. Worried about weather changes but you can never tell, plan to check today or very soon will update.
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Re: Possibly active species found in Hawaii (moved) [Re: GaiaOne] 1
#28610629 - 01/05/24 02:52 PM (22 days, 18 hours ago) |
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How about you try and damage some of the caps and stem, see if they get any more blue on the damaged places ? You probably have both Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolus cyanescens laced with some Agrocybe.
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Laced with Agrocybe
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Re: Possibly active species found in Hawaii (moved) [Re: Towns77] 1
#28610954 - 01/05/24 07:58 PM (22 days, 13 hours ago) |
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That pin is panaeolus cyanescens
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu] 1
#28611058 - 01/05/24 10:34 PM (22 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Wanting something to be what you believe it to be can be dangerous my friend, admire your dedication but there's no traits leaning towards psilocybe cubensis other than a superficially similar coloration to the top of the cap. If you are intent on discovering a new species probably best not to try to force it into a group based on bias and longing. You might miss the real story. Give your observations a true objectivness and see what you find. Good luck, but please I implore you to stop eating unidentified shrooms, too dangerous unfortunately, and not a good message for others.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: kateastrophy] 1
#28611253 - 01/06/24 05:27 AM (22 days, 4 hours ago) |
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kateastrophy said: Wanting something to be what you believe it to be can be dangerous my friend, admire your dedication but there's no traits leaning towards psilocybe cubensis other than a superficially similar coloration to the top of the cap. If you are intent on discovering a new species probably best not to try to force it into a group based on bias and longing. You might miss the real story. Give your observations a true objectivness and see what you find. Good luck, but please I implore you to stop eating unidentified shrooms, too dangerous unfortunately, and not a good message for others.
Good advice, and it is mandatory practice to get the science correct before consumption. As well as an informative and factual presentation of any and every species present. If not only for personal safety, also for the sceintific value. I vaguely remember Alan warning someone about not eating the possible type collection of a new species.
That being said, all we've seen in pictures here so far is a mix of Panaeolys cyanescens and a likely Agrocybe species.
Still, being Hawaii, it is interesting as location in its own right. I remember one guy finding some massive patches of Psilocybe cyanescens in Maui, if I'm not mistaken.
I also remember someone setting out rumours that mushroom hunters in Hawaii risked getting abducted and gang raped by the locals.
Pretty hilarious what people do to try protecting their spots.
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