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#28609671 - 01/04/24 04:44 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I know this is old but I want to bump this specific conversation. I hope those of you are still around and somehow see this.
I have also found evidence of what I think are cubensis. Detailed photos, specimen, spore print etc I have it now I need to know what to do. I have tried to ask in mycology Hawaii etc to no avail.
I have much info and more to say but I'll save it for a new post if no one replies here. Im local, west side, BI.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609675 - 01/04/24 04:48 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Now that you are making this claim here on the Shroomery, I and others will appreciate it if you make a post with your photos here so we are able to comment in an informed way.
But I also suggest making observations on iNat and Mushroom observer if you want to get the specimen sequenced.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Mycoangulo] 1
#28609681 - 01/04/24 04:56 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Hardly necessary to sequence P. cubensis, and they are known to grow in at least three of the islands, if not more. Panaeolus cyanescens is also present in the same habitats. Even Psilocybe cyanescens has been found there a couple of times apparently in a Rhododendron grove, growing in wood chips.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Mycoangulo] 1
#28609703 - 01/04/24 05:12 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Thank you for your reply. My bad not trying to make claims but I do have this mushroom that I keep running into I think it's active and my closest guess is cubensis, but it's missing some traits?
Description: Hawaii, 1000ft, grass pasture in and near manure. Brown to reddish brown gills when mature, light brown when younger. Spore print brown. Stem long and thin, but hardy. No observed annulus. No immediate blue bruising, or blue bruise stems like panaeolus cyanescens. But on the most recent find (pic 3) I feel like I see hints of blue? They are always next to panaeolus cyanescens.
I know a lot of species have not been identified so curious if this is worth looking into.
Mycologists Hawaii someone suggested Agrocybe (pediades, semiorbicularis).
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609708 - 01/04/24 05:16 PM (23 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Very cool! Thanks for sharing! 
Those definitely look like wild cubes. Somewhat similar to the one I found (mine was an off-white color thou). However, the brownish spore print is a bit unusual. I have heard of "Golden spore" strains of Cubes however so it isnt too unusual i guess.
I do see some very light bruising on the cap (i think?).
With a trained nose, you can smell the psilocin/psilocybin in a fresh fruit. Sorta like "fermented fruit juice".
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28609757 - 01/04/24 05:57 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Awesome great news! Thanks for the reply LogicaL!
Isn't it so curious the brown spore. It confuses me so much. See how the young are even lighter. Less pronounced central bump. It's almost a sub species.
I can confirm they're active.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#28609760 - 01/04/24 05:58 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Those definitely look like wild cubes.
Sorry, but with that appearance and the dull brown print I think Agrocybe.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609782 - 01/04/24 06:15 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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I can confirm they're active.
They're not cubensis, that's for sure. How did you confirm that? By eating them together with some of those pans? 😄
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28609783 - 01/04/24 06:17 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Sadly they are not Psilocybe cubensis
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28609800 - 01/04/24 06:36 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago) |
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I can confirm they're active.
They're not cubensis, that's for sure. How did you confirm that? By eating them together with some of those pans? 😄
Ok sure it may not be cubensis. But it's something awesome!!! I knew it wasn't quite fitting the cubensis... isn't it fascinating!! Could it be a cross? Or sub species?
I know it's active, quite strong. I did preliminary tests, then a big test, over a month giving time in between for clear system. If you don't think it's active that's fine more for me, anyone can see for themselves.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28609815 - 01/04/24 06:57 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Those definitely look like wild cubes.
Sorry, but with that appearance and the dull brown print I think Agrocybe.
U think so? I looked up some Agrocybes, the pediadas species looks pretty close but still doesnt look exactly 
If you would throw out a guess of what species it could be, that would be pretty helpful
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609816 - 01/04/24 06:57 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago) |
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28609820 - 01/04/24 07:00 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I found this article on Wikipedia about a possible psychedelic Psilocybin Agrocybe in Japan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrocybe_farinacea
Too unconfirmed?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28609847 - 01/04/24 07:25 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago) |
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The smallest of those three caps seems to be different. Also, at the bottom of your sporeprint sheet there's a spot with a different colour. Is that spores?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28609858 - 01/04/24 07:37 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago) |
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
How is it not possible? We know what, 1% of the all mushrooms?
I am quite confident in that it's active. But I If there's any doubt, can see for yourself ... ??? I'll do another moderate for the sake of science
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: GaiaOne]
#28609880 - 01/04/24 08:00 PM (23 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: The smallest of those three caps seems to be different. Also, at the bottom of your sporeprint sheet there's a spot with a different colour. Is that spores?
Probably one of the Panaeolus cyanescens that he holds in the last picture?
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The mushrooms pictured here are not psychoactive in any possible way, so your described awesomeness must either be due to placebo effect or eating them together with confirmed psychoactive species.
They are an Agrocybe species, a genus which contains no psychoactive nor any toxic species. Some of them are said to be edible, but apparently of little to no culinary value.
Not intending to rain on your parade here, but it is fact.
How is it not possible? We know what, 1% of the all mushrooms?
I am quite confident in that it's active. But I If there's any doubt, can see for yourself ... ??? I'll do another moderate for the sake of science</font>
No species in the genus Agrocybe are psychoactive. Not saying that it isn't possible that there are ones yet unknown to science. But among the known species, there are absolutely none.
The mushrooms you're asking about here are most likely in that genus. If you consumed these without eating any known psychoactive species at the same time, it is very unlikely that you experienced any real effects. That being said, if you actually suspect that you have found an undescribed psychoactive species, you should refrain from eating them at all, but rather photograph, collect and dry as many as possible for the purpose of further analysis.
I'm also a bit confused when you say you have tested these with one month intervals (if I'm not utterly mistaken), given that there are only two of them in the pictures, i.e. the two you have spore printed. Did you find more of the same species, and in that case, are you certain they are all the same species?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28609930 - 01/04/24 08:51 PM (23 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: The smallest of those three caps seems to be different. Also, at the bottom of your sporeprint sheet there's a spot with a different colour. Is that spores?
The bottom of the spore print sheet is just a shadow. I placed it in sun
LogicaL Chaos said: I found this article on Wikipedia about a possible psychedelic Psilocybin Agrocybe in Japan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrocybe_farinacea
Too unconfirmed?
Very interesting ...
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis Found in Hawaii [Re: Anglerfish]
#28609947 - 01/04/24 09:19 PM (23 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Anglerfish said: That being said, if you actually suspect that you have found an undescribed psychoactive species, you should refrain from eating them at all, but rather photograph, collect and dry as many as possible for the purpose of further analysis.
I'm also a bit confused when you say you have tested these with one month intervals (if I'm not utterly mistaken), given that there are only two of them in the pictures, i.e. the two you have spore printed. Did you find more of the same species, and in that case, are you certain they are all the same species?
I have suspected this for some time as I have said I keep running into this mushroom, it's prob the #2 most common in the area. I attempted to identify without picking it, just pics, research, no luck. So I decided I have to do it, learnt the local possibilities, mushrooms in general etc. I started collecting, dry, freeze, spore prints, documenting pics, vids. There was only one way to to truly know more.... Small amounts one week apart, over a month no other stuff. Then a museum. Now I'm here. Idk. I will continue to collect. I think they may be better than pans at least for me.
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#28609954 - 01/04/24 09:36 PM (23 days, 12 hours ago) |
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You're most likely eating a couple of species. You might've gotten some cambodginiensis in the mix. They usually have, at least in the wild, a more tan colour. About the same strength as cyanescens. You also have bisporus there, but I think that one's a bit rare. Also tropicalis but that one is macroscopically identical to cyanescens. There's no chance you're finding anything stronger than these pans in Hawaii.
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#28609960 - 01/04/24 09:48 PM (23 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Here's a another batch can see the brown spore print vs the black pans

Here's another pic of the same spore print different light no sunlight. Darker brown looking


Top and bottom pics. Sometimes they can look like this fresh: grey-brown-white gills but after a night on a plate they look like:
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