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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: lastine] * 1
    #28540347 - 11/12/23 01:36 PM (3 months, 3 days ago)

Why post it then if he’s asking about active species :shrug:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Screwup]
    #28540624 - 11/12/23 04:44 PM (3 months, 3 days ago)

Well I could not know just by seeing colonized cakes with no pins


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: lastine] * 3
    #28546336 - 11/17/23 10:27 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Mateja, just wanted to drop in a say thank you for posting the water tub tek.  So glad I found this before making a sfc, which I’m sure would have worked. But, do you think it would have blessed me with results like this!?



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mychaelogist]
    #28546337 - 11/17/23 10:29 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

That’s how it’s done!  Nice job


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mychaelogist]
    #28546371 - 11/17/23 11:05 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

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Mateja, just wanted to drop in a say thank you for posting the water tub tek.  So glad I found this before making a sfc, which I’m sure would have worked. But, do you think it would have blessed me with results like this!?





Whatcha got there, buddy? Amazing results ❤️


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28546845 - 11/17/23 05:37 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Fahtster and smellyhobbit, thank you both for the kind words.

That last pic was yesterday.  Just now, I picked one of the cakes up to love on it and take a closer look and several started falling off. I guess those ones are done.  Before and after pics below.

I did a lot of searching and reading before starting this endeavor. So many generous people on here sharing their knowledge. I hope I can pay it forward someday soon.

What should I do with the rest? Leave for another day or so, or clean all of them completely and into the dehydrator? Also, what’s the best way to clean the coir off the stem butts? Razor blade? Before or after the dehydrator?  Thanks to anyone that takes the time to help out with those questions





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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mychaelogist]
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #28589560 - 12/19/23 09:47 AM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Mateja said:
I take that back





This pic has me ready to forget about trying shoebox or monos next and just going back to cakes :eek:

Transferred a giant block from a bag that was growing squished up against the sides of the bag last night. We’ll see how it does in the water tub per Way’s rec in the quick answers thread.



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #28606140 - 01/01/24 05:10 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Hi Ya,

First Post. Big thanks to Mateja, and everyone else for so much amazing input. Very wet behind the ears here but that's more than can be said for my little FC, which I'm trying to get wetter... Bit of Background: I have a couple little shoe box like cakes (I took them out of container) that have taken an age to fruit in a larger clear storage box. The colonization was very long too. Prob a month. Have probably not had enough FAE as it's in a closet so I've always been trying to keep humidity the highest I can with the best method so I can leave bigger gaps for FAE.

So I've just cheerily thrown away a load of perlite and replaced with water and cookie rack thinking how clever I'm getting at this new little hobby. Misted, put the lid on FULLY (as is done in the tek at start) and waited a few hours to see my exciting improvements in humidity from my trusty(and accurate) hygrometer.

Well it's dropped from 92% with the lid upside down with gaps in with the perlite to 90% with just water and lid completely fastened.  WTbuggeryF! How the fuck has that happened?! Am I going completely mental?

Just one question, well 2 actually.

1. Does this TEK produce the highest chamber humidity or is there a better one? (I'm assuming my lid must be letting in more closed than it does upside down or perlite was better)
2. Is there anyway to reach 99-100% RH in a fruiting chamber?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis] * 1
    #28606171 - 01/01/24 05:35 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

What model hygrometer are you using? How often is it calibrated and how is it calibrated?
What’s the standard deviation on your hygrometer?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #28606330 - 01/01/24 07:06 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: The Tao]
    #28606462 - 01/01/24 09:12 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Yes that's a fair point, it's over all accuracy could be a max +/- 3 % of the true value of the chamber, but the meters relative accuracy has been very good and it's reproducibility is pretty bang on too. I'm 99% it's not the hygrometer. Unlike my FC sadly. Any answers to my questions warmly welcomed.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28606504 - 01/01/24 09:52 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Your hygrometer will come with a calibration certificate, the VWR’s I’m familiar with are verified for a year then they get tossed. I bring them home and monitor basement temps and humidity.
What are the stated values and how long are the ones you’re using valid for? How do you know the readings are accurate? How accurate is your hygrometer outside the normal range for room humidity? You’re not looking for accuracy in the 20-50 % range, you’re way outside that.
You didn’t answer any of my questions.
I’ve never used a hygrometer for mushroom cultivation. Eyes work better.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: The Tao]
    #28606804 - 01/02/24 08:50 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Yes calibration cert out of date, Original Accuracy in the 90% range is +/- 3%, 2.5% and 2% elsewhere in range but I concede that after wrapping the probe with warm damp cloth and enclosing in 2 bags the maximum RH i could get was 95.8%.
I have to say thou that the RH values are now lower with just water relative to the previous month where they have been steady and responsive to small increases / decreases of lid opening.

In a way it makes sense that there might be less evaporation with just water, the area for evaporation is surely larger with a wet material with many pores and voids in it than the 2 dimensional area of flat standing water. I've now put soft rubber draft excluder in the lip of my box to completely seal it and eliminate the draft variable.

Has anyone got answers to my couple questions? Thanks in advance! x


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28606978 - 01/02/24 11:44 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

This is the recommended tek for fruiting cakes and anecdotal evidence shows it performs much better than a SGFC at keeping proper surface conditions on your cakes for longer without needing intervention.

Nobody here really uses or recommends the use of hygrometers for cubes and they are largely inaccurate. Chasing hygrometer numbers is an exercise in futility from what ive seen. :shrug:

I'd suggest you not worry about it and rest assured that you are using the best fruiting chamber for BRF cakes.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28607099 - 01/02/24 01:23 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

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In a way it makes sense that there might be less evaporation with just water, the area for evaporation is surely larger with a wet material with many pores and voids in it than the 2 dimensional area of flat standing water.




Wet perlite will increase water evaporation over still water. This tek works perfectly fine with just water, I think that's part of the point - little to no misting is needed, as that's what replaces the water lost when using perlite.

I've also read (but not tested) using a mix of perlite/standing water - the idea is the water level is about half the level of the perlite, so the top half evaporates while wicking replacement water from beneath.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Way]
    #28608146 - 01/03/24 08:27 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

My scientific nature often gets me distracted from the overall picture. I was  thinking to myself, I've not even got to the coir coating bit yet! So I whole heartedly agree with you.

(Though of course I will still be wondering how one might produce the highest RH through natural means. I can't help it!)


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: 420Botanist]
    #28608155 - 01/03/24 08:40 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think half and half, water perlite is the way i might go. I know it's less simple but I  think i did get a slightly better RH. As for the rest.... I will follow the tek verbatim and hope for faster results!

I do wonder if some of the slowness is part genetics. I had a dabble years and years ago with some cambodians and the mycelium was sooo much more aggressive and really white, unlike this lot.

Thanks for replies everyone.

P.s Any tips on where to find some really feisty spores in the UK hugely welcome.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28608254 - 01/03/24 10:11 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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Boletus Incredulis said:
My scientific nature often gets me distracted from the overall picture. I was  thinking to myself, I've not even got to the coir coating bit yet! So I whole heartedly agree with you.

(Though of course I will still be wondering how one might produce the highest RH through natural means. I can't help it!)




Love it! I'm similar with anything technical and lots of people on here are just like us. Overanalysing every little detail! When in reality it's often better to stick to the tried and tested methods - 'improvements' that are scientifically sound often cause other knock-on problems or don't improve anything at all.

There's other ways you could increase the RH, a pond heater would increase evaporation, as would disturbance/aeration....but again it's just not needed, the water tub tek works great with just water.

When you say slow, how slow are we talking? :mushroom2:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: 420Botanist]
    #28608491 - 01/03/24 01:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Speed wise I really should have logged some dates but colonizing the jars, probably a month maybe 6 weeks?, They were colonized enough to spawn but not that proper and awesome bright white mycelium I've seen before and you see in peoples pics here. Half hearted, a bit pathetic if i'm being honest.  Both on BR and rye. Same vendor but 2 different strains. So in honesty it's prob me doing something wrong.

However some developing news.... I don't wanna speak too soon but it's been 1-2 days and I think I'm seeing little white dots of Myc coming through the coir coating. Gonna take a pic and compare tomoz in case it's wishful vision, but if so that's the fastest it's been!


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