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OfflineBeezer
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Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell?
    #28557919 - 11/27/23 02:58 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I’m an admin for a Facebook group that has been covered up with members attempting to sell liquid cultures, claiming they’re treated the same as spores and do not contain psilocybin. 

Is this legal?


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Beezer] * 2
    #28557921 - 11/27/23 03:07 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Everything's legal till you get caught.

Being a culture I'd say no. That's why legit vendors only sell prints or spore syringes for actives.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Sofaking420] * 1
    #28557951 - 11/27/23 04:33 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

If it were legal everyone would be doing it.


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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Beezer]
    #28558457 - 11/27/23 02:54 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Lots of people are selling liquid cultures these days and I haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble for it.

Whether it would test positive for psilocybin depends on the LC media and the species / strain.

I have heard of a few people getting their LC's tested at psilocybin testing labs and they have turned up negative.  It is hard to be sure due to the low number of samples tested, large numbers of LC recipes and many crime labs throughout the world doing the testing, all with unknown cutoffs.

In general, it seems pretty safe, similar to selling spores.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28558520 - 11/27/23 04:02 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I guess live cultures don't have as much of a "for microscopy use only" fig leaf as spores do. But that seems to matter less and less, anyway.

I feel like the current cannabis situation has really transformed the legal climate. The patchwork of state laws, all existing under federal law which remains absurdly outdated, has created a world where psilocybin is falling through the cracks. Many states already followed a policy of enforcing the law, determining penalties, etc., by treating it the same as cannabis. But as local jurisdictions get further and further away from busting weed grows, and any coordination with federal agencies on cannabis laws, the likelihood is that very few people are paying any attention at all to these new developments in the online marketplace.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Beezer]
    #28588168 - 12/18/23 10:26 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

A lot of places are selling; however, the legit vendors are not. At best, its a legal gray area. I'm of the opinion, the vendors selling culture if anything, hurt the movement and risk being made an example of in the future.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Forager208] * 1
    #28606565 - 01/02/24 12:23 AM (25 days, 21 hours ago)

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Forager208 said:
A lot of places are selling; however, the legit vendors are not. At best, its a legal gray area. I'm of the opinion, the vendors selling culture if anything, hurt the movement and risk being made an example of in the future.





How would selling liquid cultures hurt the movement?


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Forager208] * 1
    #28606716 - 01/02/24 07:38 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Forager208 said:
A lot of places are selling; however, the legit vendors are not. At best, its a legal gray area. I'm of the opinion, the vendors selling culture if anything, hurt the movement and risk being made an example of in the future.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1829455

What, like this guy they made an example of 20 years ago? He had the audacity to produce and sell spore syringes with instruction booklets, when others were keeping their heads down and only dealing discretely in prints.

If people are actually selling clean and properly developed cultures, I salute them.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28611162 - 01/06/24 02:35 AM (21 days, 19 hours ago)

Things were a lot different 20 years ago.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28611319 - 01/06/24 06:51 AM (21 days, 14 hours ago)

Yes, and we can thank the efforts of people like him, in part, for that change....


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 3
    #28619594 - 01/13/24 10:41 AM (14 days, 11 hours ago)

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Lots of people are selling liquid cultures these days and I haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble for it.

Whether it would test positive for psilocybin depends on the LC media and the species / strain.

I have heard of a few people getting their LC's tested at psilocybin testing labs and they have turned up negative.  It is hard to be sure due to the low number of samples tested, large numbers of LC recipes and many crime labs throughout the world doing the testing, all with unknown cutoffs.

In general, it seems pretty safe, similar to selling spores.




I'd add age of LC as a factor. It may eventually produce Psilocybin if unused for a long period of time.


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Workman]
    #28619784 - 01/13/24 01:30 PM (14 days, 8 hours ago)

It would be an interesting question of when the LC was tested by law enforcement. Was it positive at the time of confiscation or later?
If the answer is unknown…..


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: The Tao]
    #28621711 - 01/15/24 03:29 AM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

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It would be an interesting question of when the LC was tested by law enforcement. Was it positive at the time of confiscation or later?
If the answer is unknown…..




Then potentially the LE were manufacturing after confiscation...?


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Re: Are Liquid Cultures legal to Sell? [Re: Hobbyist] * 1
    #28621904 - 01/15/24 08:55 AM (12 days, 12 hours ago)

I'm having a hard time imagining anyone in law enforcement in the 21st century going that far down the rabbithole when dealing with liquid cultures. There's also a legal chain-of-custody issue there. Randomly confiscating stuff to test it is not necessarily illegal in all cases, but it's the sort of thing that gets cases thrown out.

You know what's all the rage right now? Pretextual traffic stops that lead to civil asset forfeiture (your money and vehicle aren't innocent until proven guilty, so it's quite lucrative). You know what isn't? Messing with all that hippie shit. Complicated court cases with no political benefit. "Microdose" was one of the answers in my crossword puzzle the other day, clue being "take a little trip?" The current moral panic is mostly centered around Fentanyl and meth, so that's where the action is.

When Psilocybe Fanaticus ended up on the DEA's radar over 20 years ago, they got enough evidence to do a raid by ordering a syringe and following his instructions. He basically taught some DEA agents how to grow mushrooms.


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