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What is yoga? 1
#28606196 - 01/01/24 05:54 PM (26 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Some people have seemed to recently take offense by my recent shade towards yoga. For those who have been hurt by my words, I'm sorry. The issue I've faced in my life is that a lot of these spiritual things seem so stupid on the surface, that I can't take it seriously (again, at first blush.) One of those things was mysticism. I thought it was stupid until I actually did it and it "clicked". So, I'm just wondering if I'm doing it with my initial, biased thoughts against yoga? So... with that, what is yoga? What am I missing?
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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The word Yoga means to unite the mind with the divine and manifest the divine within the being. In a manner of speaking it is an entheogenic tradition. However training the spirit, as it were, involves training the body and mind.
Japa Yoga is the use of mantras to train the mind
Natya yoga is the use of Karanas, Mudras and cadence to train the body to make certain motions that can be used in many ways, such as expressively, but even as a martial art.
Hatha yoga is the use of postures and breath to make the body and mind strong as well as do qi-gong like energy work.
Trantric yoga... well, you get the idea.
Neigong energy work like Dao Yin and several other qigong methods are often considered a type of Yoga as well.
Yoga is, in this fashion, not a specific individual practice but is any practice which unifies the practitioner with the divine. Painting could even be a type of Yoga, so can sculpting etc.
In the moderns sense Yoga is Asana or posture training, but even today one can find sacred yoga being practiced in several ways and in numerous cultures.
Here is the link to older definitions of Yoga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga#Definitions_in_classical_texts
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion] 1
#28606226 - 01/01/24 06:12 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago) |
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That's fascinating. I'm definitely going to have to give that a read. If it's entheogenic in nature, count me in!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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From Nillon's reference, pretty much your words Solar. 'Yoga is the means of perceiving reality.'
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606337 - 01/01/24 07:11 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Wow! That's incredible. I'll have to look more into yoga, syncro and Nillion, ha. I'm curious what your all's thoughts are on this clip below? Someone posted it from r/NDE. You can read a little bit about it here: https://dowsers.com/walter-russell-books-descriptions-b/ ; Interested in your thoughts.redditmedia.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
Edited by solarshroomster (01/01/24 07:26 PM)
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Nice. I am looking at his Iliad volumes and also found his Secret of Light book.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606373 - 01/01/24 07:47 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago) |
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It looks pretty good. I was pretty impressed by the video. It seemed a little cultish (mostly due to length), but generally I thought it conveyed the message well.
Edited by solarshroomster (01/01/24 11:29 PM)
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In my exposure to the yogas, in no particular order, though at the same time it seems appropriate to first mention Vasistha.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606683 - 01/02/24 06:49 AM (26 days, 17 minutes ago) |
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Usefulness in such old stories can be gathered in various ways, and among them came to mind was that these stories can be an example of the exoteric as it were, profound in itself.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606699 - 01/02/24 07:20 AM (25 days, 23 hours ago) |
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I'm reading Nillion's reference. It's pretty good:
Yoga is the means of perceiving reality "In this system, yoga is the union of the self and the Lord" Yoga is said to be the oneness of one entity with another The union of apana and prana, one's own rajas and semen, the sun and moon, the individual Self and the supreme Self, and in the same way the union of all dualities, is called yoga
How am I to distinguish actual yoga from the yoga presented in the popular media?
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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By your appeal or lack thereof. Visit some teachers if inclined (the same for books and such), and there you will need to trust your judgement according to what you seek. You can always learn from some for a little while and move on, or stay if you found something more significant.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606740 - 01/02/24 07:56 AM (25 days, 23 hours ago) |
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We know this - of course, before we get smacked, your own silence is all you need, your Self is already there. But we also, many, need inspiration, confirmation, technique. I would seek initiation whether only internal or not. Ask for it internally, externally if you like. Initiation I think would need to come with some kind of instruction, even it is just the Song of Mahamudra, or one-liners that are all you need, or you may go for extensive teachings and tools, your choices to enjoy.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28606763 - 01/02/24 08:13 AM (25 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Persistence in any one simple authentic teaching, or that in your own discoveries, will serve to purify you. One of the most valuable aspects of methodological teachings if you will, is getting means of purification.
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Saw this today and bookmarked it for addition to this thread: https://oaks.nvg.org/hatha-yoga-pradipika.html
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion]
#28607259 - 01/02/24 03:01 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago) |
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No luck on that page for me. First an apparent lack of SSL though I accepted the risk and continued, and then a 403 forbidden.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28607347 - 01/02/24 03:58 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago) |
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syncro said: No luck on that page for me. First an apparent lack of SSL though I accepted the risk and continued, and then a 403 forbidden.
Works using my bookmark but not the link. That stinks
here, you can copy and then paste this after removing spaces
ht tp: //o aks. nvg. org/ hat ha- yoga-pra dipik a.h tml
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion]
#28607402 - 01/02/24 04:38 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago) |
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It's works without the secure s, http without the s.
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Souka.
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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
#28608070 - 01/03/24 07:15 AM (24 days, 23 hours ago) |
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syncro said: Usefulness in such old stories can be gathered in various ways, and among them came to mind was that these stories can be an example of the exoteric as it were, profound in itself.
Imagine the strength and inspiration of people, love and unity, the hero. If there is love, then there is hero. You are a hero of those who love you, and they yours...
The exoteric in the yogas may be considered as bhakti, love and devotion. It may be for a timeless idea of a person, a name, but it becomes that for all as the all is what the ideal person represents. And you see that ideal in that which you love.
As the pro mystics that we are (a little sarcasm), we can knock exoterism, yet thinking about the yogas in my life, the other side of it came up. It returned to my mind and heart that bhakti is a most profound path and covers the rest, leaving nothing else needed, for bhakti moves into ecstasy, and that into vision, samadhis, profundity, unitive experience. I am the beginning and the end. Love leads to Love, and that is all.
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#28608268 - 01/03/24 10:26 AM (24 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Any spiritual practice, prayer, etc., is bhakti, for what is it without love? It is because of bhakti and for the sake of it.
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