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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28606282 - 01/01/24 06:38 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

From Nillon's reference, pretty much your words Solar. 'Yoga is the means of perceiving reality.'


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28606370 - 01/01/24 07:43 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

Nice. I am looking at his Iliad volumes and also found his Secret of Light book.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28606657 - 01/02/24 06:12 AM (26 days, 55 minutes ago)

In my exposure to the yogas, in no particular order, though at the same time it seems appropriate to first mention Vasistha.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28606683 - 01/02/24 06:49 AM (26 days, 17 minutes ago)

Usefulness in such old stories can be gathered in various ways, and among them came to mind was that these stories can be an example of the exoteric as it were, profound in itself.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28606714 - 01/02/24 07:37 AM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

By your appeal or lack thereof. Visit some teachers if inclined (the same for books and such), and there you will need to trust your judgement according to what you seek. You can always learn from some for a little while and move on, or stay if you found something more significant.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28606740 - 01/02/24 07:56 AM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

We know this - of course, before we get smacked, your own silence is all you need, your Self is already there. But we also, many, need inspiration, confirmation, technique. I would seek initiation whether only internal or not. Ask for it internally, externally if you like. Initiation I think would need to come with some kind of instruction, even it is just the Song of Mahamudra, or one-liners that are all you need, or you may go for extensive teachings and tools, your choices to enjoy.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28606763 - 01/02/24 08:13 AM (25 days, 22 hours ago)

Persistence in any one simple authentic teaching, or that in your own discoveries, will serve to purify you. One of the most valuable aspects of methodological teachings if you will, is getting means of purification.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion]
    #28607259 - 01/02/24 03:01 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago)

No luck on that page for me. First an apparent lack of SSL though I accepted the risk and continued, and then a 403 forbidden.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion]
    #28607402 - 01/02/24 04:38 PM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

:thumbup: It's works without the secure s, http without the s.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28608070 - 01/03/24 07:15 AM (24 days, 23 hours ago)

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Usefulness in such old stories can be gathered in various ways, and among them came to mind was that these stories can be an example of the exoteric as it were, profound in itself.




Imagine the strength and inspiration of people, love and unity, the hero. If there is love, then there is hero. You are a hero of those who love you, and they yours...

The exoteric in the yogas may be considered as bhakti, love and devotion. It may be for a timeless idea of a person, a name, but it becomes that for all as the all is what the ideal person represents. And you see that ideal in that which you love.

As the pro mystics that we are (a little sarcasm), we can knock exoterism, yet thinking about the yogas in my life, the other side of it came up. It returned to my mind and heart that bhakti is a most profound path and covers the rest, leaving nothing else needed, for bhakti moves into ecstasy, and that into vision, samadhis, profundity, unitive experience.

I am the beginning and the end. Love leads to Love, and that is all.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28608268 - 01/03/24 10:26 AM (24 days, 20 hours ago)

Any spiritual practice, prayer, etc., is bhakti, for what is it without love? It is because of bhakti and for the sake of it.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28609440 - 01/04/24 12:27 PM (23 days, 18 hours ago)

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

But that which dies is not free. So yoga is dealing with the body. Yoga is freedom.

To me yoga is the same as spirituality-mysticism-religion. As yoga is union, it is understanding, knowledge, therefore yoga is also science.

Arguably, that which dies is not life. Life is not that which dies. Yoga is life. Elements take forms and change. Yoga uses the elements for its sake, as does life, magic, ...

"I am the Life.."
"My Father and I are one."
"Be still and know that I am God." These are yoga.

There is higher pleasure, but pleasure in that which dies also dies.

"Pleasure is a freedom song, but it is not freedom."

Suffering the pleasure of intoxicants etc, we see this. Entheogens are an interesting question around it as they are of the body, or, are physical things ingested. :shrugs: There seems to be exceptions. Find me a drink of soma, por favor. Right now I am drinking a little moderately cheap leftover port. It is better to invest a little more for quality, nevertheless, I was complaining to the ethers about the low quality intoxicants in this realm.

High quality intoxicants, of higher realms, are mental, spiritual.

The mantra is the shroomy, see? Shroomyites might quote and say that practices are not needed. As one who does not (often) use entheogens, I will say, if you say I don't need practices, you don't need entheogens.

Either of us can catch the flash in the moment of pointing at the moon, but the effort is in what, sustaining it, further exploration, the noble truths...


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Freedom]
    #28609623 - 01/04/24 04:06 PM (23 days, 15 hours ago)

Oh, from what Solar said, you disagreed with me saying one man's mantra is another man's shroom?

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No offense taken, but I'm curious what part you disagreed with. Needless to say I tend to over generalize. What is yoga? 'Well yoga is everything man.' But I think it's more valuable to say that with religion as it has been said, religion is simply what we do, what we follow day to day.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Freedom]
    #28609642 - 01/04/24 04:18 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago)

I thought you were talking to me when you said you disagreed with something, but I wasn't sure what it was.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28609725 - 01/04/24 05:31 PM (23 days, 13 hours ago)

"Are people reliably having visionary experiences on meditation and yoga? What am I missing?"

I think a foundation is made in times of urgent need which I did in my thirties. I knew I needed or had certain desire to meet a yogi in person and take initiation, and continued with retreats with them for about a decade. I was having experiences from following books before that as well.

Boredom is part of it in concentration in the beginning, and repetition bears fruit where earnestness is possible. Sometimes there won't be sincerity, and people say there must be. I think it is quite valuable to have the will to persist even if there is neither good concentration nor much sincerity.

A most valuable time imo is persisting in those moments you feel you are done as that is when patterns are formed among the tendencies most likely to obstruct them. On the other hand, it is good to be pretty clean, like not hung over or something. If I've had too much coffee, or got stoned, I tend to avoid formal practice.

Here's an example that happens to me and similarly I believe with others, especially if it's been a while since practicing. I begin things and am challenged by a sense of unworthiness, and depending on how bad I've been, a sense of futility and ridiculosity, then like biting the bullet and taking the punishment from the guilt and crap, and persisting nevertheless, because there is no judgement in the temple as it were.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28609754 - 01/04/24 05:55 PM (23 days, 13 hours ago)

I don't feel I integrate well with life, socially too much, but I have always been pretty easy going and get along with people. Practice for me is profound and is hard to balance.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28610664 - 01/05/24 03:15 PM (22 days, 15 hours ago)

Luck to you! I'm needing to do that myself, again.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28610772 - 01/05/24 04:48 PM (22 days, 14 hours ago)

It needs to be replaced with something purifying, ideally. I'm confident I can do it increasing practices, but work is going to be heavy in the coming days (excuses). I've done it before with a weight training program which included running - smoking when younger. Now it's tobaccoless pouches at least, just with the carcinogenic flavor additives etc.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28611169 - 01/06/24 03:09 AM (22 days, 3 hours ago)

With all the wonderful facets and means, it comes down to ceasing/subduing conceptual thought.

Stillness, silence has levels. This is commonly seen in moments of wonder.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28611292 - 01/06/24 06:25 AM (22 days, 41 minutes ago)

I ran across Burroughs', 'Language is a virus from outer space.' lol

Not to knock the language we use here in trying to reach beyond it. Why are we trying to reach beyond it? Open question.

Because engaging in concepts is generally dukkha, not of peace, our natural state?

I had started a post around observations in agency. In that I had noticed that fearlessness can tend to remove the sense of it. It was going into the love or fear principle.

Also into the matrix, Matrika, which is the alphabet, and the creatrix.


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