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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 5
    #28611027 - 01/05/24 09:45 PM (22 days, 9 hours ago)

What you're missing is that the mundane is not separate from the mystical. That bringing love and kindness into daily life is both a practice and a fruit of 'the mystical'. Through practice, the 'mystical' becomes ordinary, and the ordinary becomes mystical. It becomes obvious, everything is a miracle.

What blocks it is preconceptions. A psychedelic can give you a glimpse because it temporarily blocks your preconceptions, but once the drug wears off, they come right back.

The difference between taking a psychedelic and walking a path of practice is like the difference between visiting a beautiful temple once in a while vs turning every atom of existence into a beautiful temple.

You can't chase states either way though. Tollerence builds too fast to be tripping in a mystical state all the time. Grasping and seeking mystical states will keep them away.

So I learn to appreciate them when they appear, and appreciate what else appears when it appears. Even difficult things become an opportunity to learn and to let go of the habits of mind that block seeing things clearly. And yes, I still take psychedelics.

Most people don't want to let go of what needs to be let go of. Which is everything. The funny thing is you never had it to begin with... :smile:


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 3
    #28606214 - 01/01/24 06:08 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

The word Yoga means to unite the mind with the divine and manifest the divine within the being. In a manner of speaking it is an entheogenic tradition. However training the spirit, as it were, involves training the body and mind.

Japa Yoga is the use of mantras to train the mind

Natya yoga is the use of Karanas, Mudras and cadence to train the body to make certain motions that can be used in many ways, such as expressively, but even as a martial art.

Hatha yoga is the use of postures and breath to make the body and mind strong as well as do qi-gong like energy work.

Trantric yoga... well, you get the idea.

Neigong energy work like Dao Yin and several other qigong methods are often considered a type of Yoga as well.

Yoga is, in this fashion, not a specific individual practice but is any practice which unifies the practitioner with the divine. Painting could even be a type of Yoga, so can sculpting etc.

In the moderns sense Yoga is Asana or posture training, but even today one can find sacred yoga being practiced in several ways and in numerous cultures.

Here is the link to older definitions of Yoga:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga#Definitions_in_classical_texts


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28608268 - 01/03/24 10:26 AM (24 days, 20 hours ago)

Any spiritual practice, prayer, etc., is bhakti, for what is it without love? It is because of bhakti and for the sake of it.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 2
    #28609633 - 01/04/24 04:12 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago)

For about 15 years I used psychedelics several times a year and valued them for the clarity they gave. Then I went to my first long meditation retreat. On the third day of the retreat the same clarity appeared, and suddenly I realized the point of what everyone there was doing was to learn to live with that in daily life. The prospect of living with that clarity in daily life became basically my highest priority. When I left the retreat that clarity lasted for a couple weeks, slowly fading out. I got to see the clarity function, relationships at work and home and even with strangers on the street changed in obvious ways.

I thought I would stabilize that state after another retreat or two :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am now less drawn to the big expansive states and am more interested in bringing life and joy and love to the little details of my life. Can I enjoy washing the dishes? Can I listen to my friend with my full attention? Can I find creative ways to respond to the weird political emails my dad sends me? Can I stay calm when the guy at work is frustrated and blaming me?

I'm finding lately that there is so much richness to be tapped in the normal everyday things.

Not to discount those amazing moments. The are part of the tapestry of life, and beautiful and inspiring. I think the thing with them is grasping at them is part of what blocks them, so there is natural feedback that stops the grasping for them.

It typically takes about 3 days of meditation for most people's minds to calm down and stabilize enough for things to start opening up. One thing you could try is meditating with marijuna or low doses of psychedelics that might give a little glimpse of someething.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28609643 - 01/04/24 04:20 PM (23 days, 14 hours ago)

no, I disagreed with solar about yoga being just fun or entertainment or something, but thats just my opinion based on my limited experience.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28610888 - 01/05/24 06:51 PM (22 days, 12 hours ago)

Look, sorry, to anyone again who I offended by throwing shade on meditation and yoga. It does seem like there's enough evidence to suggest that they can lead to powerful states of consciousness. To me, my ignorance was that enthogens expand my mind so much, that I can't conceive of anything expanding it more. I would be shocked if it can just be cultivated by sitting in a certain posture and performing some ritual, but the fact is that a decent number of people have come to me and told me about their experiences in meditation and, I'm glad to concede that it can cause mystical experience. So, I can't just discount because I myself have not gotten such an experience from it. I'll personally be sticking with entheogens, but I mean no disrespect towards anyone who gets mysticism through other means.


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What is yoga? * 1
    #28606196 - 01/01/24 05:54 PM (26 days, 13 hours ago)

Some people have seemed to recently take offense by my recent shade towards yoga. For those who have been hurt by my words, I'm sorry. The issue I've faced in my life is that a lot of these spiritual things seem so stupid on the surface, that I can't take it seriously (again, at first blush.) One of those things was mysticism. I thought it was stupid until I actually did it and it "clicked". So, I'm just wondering if I'm doing it with my initial, biased thoughts against yoga? So... with that, what is yoga? What am I missing?:naturetrip:


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28606226 - 01/01/24 06:12 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

That's fascinating. I'm definitely going to have to give that a read. If it's entheogenic in nature, count me in!


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28606282 - 01/01/24 06:38 PM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

From Nillon's reference, pretty much your words Solar. 'Yoga is the means of perceiving reality.'


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28606714 - 01/02/24 07:37 AM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

By your appeal or lack thereof. Visit some teachers if inclined (the same for books and such), and there you will need to trust your judgement according to what you seek. You can always learn from some for a little while and move on, or stay if you found something more significant.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28609725 - 01/04/24 05:31 PM (23 days, 13 hours ago)

"Are people reliably having visionary experiences on meditation and yoga? What am I missing?"

I think a foundation is made in times of urgent need which I did in my thirties. I knew I needed or had certain desire to meet a yogi in person and take initiation, and continued with retreats with them for about a decade. I was having experiences from following books before that as well.

Boredom is part of it in concentration in the beginning, and repetition bears fruit where earnestness is possible. Sometimes there won't be sincerity, and people say there must be. I think it is quite valuable to have the will to persist even if there is neither good concentration nor much sincerity.

A most valuable time imo is persisting in those moments you feel you are done as that is when patterns are formed among the tendencies most likely to obstruct them. On the other hand, it is good to be pretty clean, like not hung over or something. If I've had too much coffee, or got stoned, I tend to avoid formal practice.

Here's an example that happens to me and similarly I believe with others, especially if it's been a while since practicing. I begin things and am challenged by a sense of unworthiness, and depending on how bad I've been, a sense of futility and ridiculosity, then like biting the bullet and taking the punishment from the guilt and crap, and persisting nevertheless, because there is no judgement in the temple as it were.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28610479 - 01/05/24 12:40 PM (22 days, 18 hours ago)

Yoga is me attempting to quit nicotine using all the techniques in the bag ... chanting , introspection , philosophy - hellacious amounts of cannabis

It's not easy :lol:

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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28610772 - 01/05/24 04:48 PM (22 days, 14 hours ago)

It needs to be replaced with something purifying, ideally. I'm confident I can do it increasing practices, but work is going to be heavy in the coming days (excuses). I've done it before with a weight training program which included running - smoking when younger. Now it's tobaccoless pouches at least, just with the carcinogenic flavor additives etc.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28611169 - 01/06/24 03:09 AM (22 days, 3 hours ago)

With all the wonderful facets and means, it comes down to ceasing/subduing conceptual thought.

Stillness, silence has levels. This is commonly seen in moments of wonder.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28611260 - 01/06/24 05:37 AM (22 days, 1 hour ago)

Yoga is the understanding of all things.

Esoteric Binah. Scratch the woods. Insifil.

Leaves and extensions.

Esoteric numerology.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28611292 - 01/06/24 06:25 AM (22 days, 34 minutes ago)

I ran across Burroughs', 'Language is a virus from outer space.' lol

Not to knock the language we use here in trying to reach beyond it. Why are we trying to reach beyond it? Open question.

Because engaging in concepts is generally dukkha, not of peace, our natural state?

I had started a post around observations in agency. In that I had noticed that fearlessness can tend to remove the sense of it. It was going into the love or fear principle.

Also into the matrix, Matrika, which is the alphabet, and the creatrix.


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28612770 - 01/07/24 08:46 AM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

It's a great relief, although can be scary too

also it seems we have to relaearn motivation, that a lot of our activity in the world relates to this imaginary thing at an imaginary center ("me") and when that loses its grip then what is the motive?


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28628178 - 01/20/24 06:49 AM (8 days, 11 minutes ago)

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solarshroomster said:
Some people have seemed to recently take offense by my recent shade towards yoga. For those who have been hurt by my words, I'm sorry. The issue I've faced in my life is that a lot of these spiritual things seem so stupid on the surface, that I can't take it seriously (again, at first blush.) One of those things was mysticism. I thought it was stupid until I actually did it and it "clicked". So, I'm just wondering if I'm doing it with my initial, biased thoughts against yoga? So... with that, what is yoga? What am I missing?



I. K. Taimni, Iqbal Kishen; Patañjali - The Science of Yoga: The Yoga-Sutras of Patañajli - SECTION I. SAMĀDHI PĀDA;
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Atha Yogānuśāsanam.

now; herewith (of) Yoga expounding; exposition (teaching).

1. Now, an exposition of Yoga.




Highly recommended (The Yoga-Sutras of Patañajli) reading material btw! Also you could for example check the following thread by yogabunny called Yoga 101

Next to that maybe check out

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History of Yoga, the Path of my Ancestors is a 6000 year journey into origin, evolution & development of yoga. The story explores the elements of Yoga in Harappa Civilization, Veda, Jainism, Buddhism, Sufism, Hath-Yogic practices of medieval times & other peripheral doctrines. The film ends in 19th century where modern science acknowledges the potential of yoga in a new light.




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Re: What is yoga? [Re: syncro]
    #28606337 - 01/01/24 07:11 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

Wow! That's incredible. I'll have to look more into yoga, syncro and Nillion, ha. I'm curious what your all's thoughts are on this clip below? Someone posted it from r/NDE. You can read a little bit about it here: https://dowsers.com/walter-russell-books-descriptions-b/ ;  Interested in your thoughts.
redditmedia.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title


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Re: What is yoga? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28606370 - 01/01/24 07:43 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago)

Nice. I am looking at his Iliad volumes and also found his Secret of Light book.


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