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Ego is the only thing going on!
#28602963 - 12/30/23 05:38 AM (29 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Discuss!
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28602984 - 12/30/23 06:11 AM (29 days, 1 hour ago) |
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โI Am God and There is No Other!โ The Boast of Yaldabaoth
No worries. One of my outbursts came to mind. "There is no Dharma!"
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#28603199 - 12/30/23 10:35 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Ecclesiates ch1 v2 comes to mind.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: Nillion]
#28604039 - 12/31/23 12:35 AM (28 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Cool quote^
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28604041 - 12/31/23 12:36 AM (28 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Also I think there is degrees of egotistical behaviors.
From purely selfish to almost selfless.
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#28604157 - 12/31/23 05:08 AM (28 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Where charity etc is sincere it is counter to ego. Ego would complicate it.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: syncro]
#28605350 - 01/01/24 12:58 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago) |
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But you can be proud of giving and helping people.. it is an upstanding citizen.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28605368 - 01/01/24 02:16 AM (27 days, 4 hours ago) |
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It's complicated.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: syncro]
#28605548 - 01/01/24 08:45 AM (26 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I think you're right. Ego can do some good.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: syncro]
#28606567 - 01/02/24 12:33 AM (26 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Maybe ego is what you get for biting the fruit of good and evil..?
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28606795 - 01/02/24 08:43 AM (25 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Well now you gotta read the Secret Doctrine. It's funny I don't mind either version of Eden. Psyop aside (who cares), it is for the swan to extract the milk from the water.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28606801 - 01/02/24 08:46 AM (25 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Blavatsky? Wasn't she proven a fraud?
I was given all of her books by a friend, I read them and then gave them away. They aren't something I can take seriously.
What in them do you think is worthwhile or not totally made up?
Here is some of her material:
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No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African Tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The 'sacred spark' is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe
She's doesn't know what she is talking about. Missing sacred spark because of a skin color and historical cultural difference?
The secret in her Doctrine is that she was an ignorant superstitious racist.
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#28606818 - 01/02/24 09:09 AM (25 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I'm not saying I agree with everything she says, and those parts had faded in memory, but her explorations of history and creationism are deep and unique to me anyway, but I'm kind of a literary dummy. I was attracted by the foundations in ancient Brahmanism, adding in perspective of Western Occult of which I was seeking more understanding.
I noticed you also casually threw out Agrippa at a glance it seems. These are extensive teachings and historical views.
I don't care for her views on the races, but in creationism in the subtle implications and intrigue of opposition to the church, though I have no opposition to Christianity per se.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28606852 - 01/02/24 09:58 AM (25 days, 21 hours ago) |
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It isn't just Agrippa and Blavatsky I reject, for the record I view Yogananda Paramahansa and Carlos Castaneda as frauds as well. It's even a longer list than that, but it should already be clear that I reject numerous teachings from most classic or allegedly organized religions.
I've got my own transmissions, history and occult material but the presentation of them is not really suitable for public consumption and the time it would take to present them in text form as well as the volume of information that they entail are too great to make them suitable for presentation in a context such as this.
Hopefully I can address aspects of them adequately over time. I believe there is no conflict with the occult and science, so Blavatsky and I agree on that but not much else.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: Nillion]
#28606963 - 01/02/24 11:33 AM (25 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Concerning the races though you may not be further interested which is fine, I found a preview of this article to which I'm looking for full access where the author is both separating somewhat from Blavatsky and intending to correct possible misinterpretations. I am not defending any kind of racism but interested in the defense if they consider themselves misinterpreted.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28607026 - 01/02/24 12:21 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago) |
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It is worth considering. I like that you shared it.
I don't believe in race in any classic sense.
One might also consider that in Blavatsky's day that the theory of human origin was that people of the different races developed from different monkeys in different regions. They didn't have genetics and could not compare genes and based a lot of bad science on things like bone structure and skull shape.
But as for the content, her comments about the natives of Tasmania, being animals, or of tribes in China covered in hair, is evidence that she was quite full of it and didn't have a clue about the majority of what she was talking about. Her books are little more than second hand gossip and hearsay about unproven miracles and events that if they were real would be all over youtube by now. The world she presents is a fantasy that after more than a century, still lacks any rational support or measurable observation.
Before technology made the world small, so to speak, people were more likely to believe written claims. One would think that if there was truth to the occult claims of Blavatsky and Paramahansa, as examples, then at least some photographic or video evidence would exit by now. In the past text was the equivalent of video, we lacked photographs and could not record things so the best thing we had were written accounts. This led also to tremendous problems and misconceptions. Eventually we gained the tech to take pics and video, but the lies, exaggerations and misconceptions from that primitive literary age remains ingrained into the fabric of our society nonetheless.
The point this isn't, as it were, to ask if Blavatsky was actually intentionally racist, the point is to ask if there is anything that she claimed that can now be shown to be correct. After all, we have come so much further in our ability to understand the world than we were in her time. For me the answer to the question, so far, is no. No levitating people, no limbs being cut off and magically reattached etc. The wild and often marvelous claims in her work and those of Paramahansa are just that, wild claims that lack support.
Back then phrenology was considered a science. Even what Blavatsky thought of as legitimate science is utterly distinct from science today, which has no place for the primitive superstitions of anthropology that were considered cutting edge science in her time.
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#28607142 - 01/02/24 01:53 PM (25 days, 17 hours ago) |
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As modern scientific views will likely be considered in another century. I'm considering whether to drop $20 to get on that journal. Other pieces speak of deep complexities around colonialism in India and contradicting views among Theosophists including natives who adopted the standard. I'm more interested in the esoteric views which I hope Santucci will address.
As for Brendan's question, the conflicting stories of Eden I assume originate between early Christianity and the church, the biting of the apple bringing gnosis at Christ's urging. Theosophy appears to carry on that view.
Yogananda's teachings draw from the yogas you described in the other thread, older than his particular rise, and similar teachings are from many of the foundations there.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: syncro] 2
#28607154 - 01/02/24 02:01 PM (25 days, 17 hours ago) |
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โEgo is the only thing going onโ sounds like something the ego would say ๐
I like to think of the ego as a an itty bitty part of the Self that got carried away with itself and adventurously stuck its head out a bit too far, before the rest of Self can catch up with it.
-------------------- "Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet." A disembodied-re-embodied consciousness be-ing (With all the accoutrements.)
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#28607232 - 01/02/24 02:36 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I even have another version the story of Eden, though it's not public. Lilith is interesting to say the least.
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Re: Ego is the only thing going on! [Re: Nillion]
#28607247 - 01/02/24 02:53 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago) |
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You're going to have to start giving the scoop some of your non-public views. 
A friend has a unique kind of focus on Lilith, not about siding with a demonic version but processing while embracing a darkness of a sort. It doesn't sound to me very different than the 'clear light' which can be dark without reflection. However his seems to slant a bit darker than that, though he is a most gentle person, albeit with somewhat of a troubled past.
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