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Microdosing and SSRIs? * 1
    #28600960 - 12/28/23 02:14 PM (1 month, 1 hour ago)

I'm three weeks into micro dosing and so far, am having positive results. But I have some questions so I can keep this trend moving upwards.

I'm middle aged and in the past few years, have had depression issues. Nothing real serious. I have a good life, good family, good friends, make a comfortable living and have absolutely no reason to be depressed. But there I was. Falling into these real deep lows. Never suicidal lows but I sought help before I got to that point. I'm retired military and these depression issues started a couple years after retirement. I don't think it was completely tied to military service. Some of it is probably a chemical imbalance in my body somewhere even though my blood work is always good. I have some very mild PTSD issues but nothing real serious. Just lots of deployments seeing real depressing shit for 20+ years with the occasional terrifying experience sprinkled in there for fun.

So, I sought help and was prescribed 10mg of Lexapro to take every day and I have for over two years now. But it's not without its side effects like low libido, and just a flat, dull feeling. Hard to describe. It stopped the lows I was having for sure. But not without some other sacrifice. I've wanted to get off this stuff for a while now but don't want the lows coming back either. I read How to Change your Mind and watched the documentary on Netflix as well and that has ultimately led me here to the shroomery and micro dosing.

I've been taking .2g of encapsulated golden teachers that I grew myself. Just one in the morning after I wake up. I have never taken a dose of shrooms higher than that. The first week, I didn't notice much. Week two I felt an elevated mood. This past week has been real good. I've been in a good mood, not stressing over dumb shit, more patient with my family and less irritable and the main thing I've noticed is more motivation and interest in things I seemed to have lost interest in. Hobbies and such. I have also been more active and motivated to eat better and not drink as much. I'm not an alcoholic but found myself having a few beers damn near every night. That has tapered off naturally it seems after starting the micro dosing. I haven't felt like having a beer every night for a couple of weeks now. I also realize that correlation does not equal causation. But I've felt better this last week than I have in 10 years. My wife even commented on it without me asking. I want to keep it going.

I spoke to my doctor a few days ago about getting off the Lexapro and am currently on day two of a 30 day schedule to ween myself off. Of course, I didn't mention the micro dosing to my doc. Maybe I should? I have the feeling she would not see things the way I do though.

So, I'm wondering if anybody else has ever been in a similar situation? Were you able to leave SSRIs behind and just micro dose? Any pitfalls I should be aware of or things to look out for? I feel like I might already be trying to do too many things at once and can't say for sure that micro dosing is 100% the cause for me feeling better as I've made a few other changes. Going for walks, less drinking, and in the past week, have been on a vegetarian diet. But I'm tired of feeling like shit all the time or just blah.  I want to improve my already great and fortunate life to the point that I can get to the mindset to actually enjoy it consistently. I am getting more and more convinced that micro dosing might help show me the way. I'm just looking for your thoughts on my situation and anything I should be aware of. I'd also like to try a bigger dose at some point. Like, 1.5g or something. But I feel I should wait until I've been off the Lexapro for a while without having any bad withdrawal symptoms or anything.

The shroomery has been great and I very much appreciate everything I read here and all of the advice I've been getting.


Edited by HazMatt (12/28/23 02:25 PM)


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: HazMatt]
    #28601829 - 12/29/23 05:55 AM (30 days, 9 hours ago)

Weaning off seems like the safest idea. I personally had success with three 2g doses each spaced a week apart paired with therapy.

I don't believe mushrooms can "cure" anyone, but they do help open and change perspectives, and in my opinion a sense of wonder is what helps keep us young and not stagnant.

Hope it works out for you! :mushroom2:


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: Pnin]
    #28602126 - 12/29/23 11:22 AM (30 days, 4 hours ago)

I have been on 20 mg citalopram per day for years. To me it has not really changed how mushrooms affect me. I dont even really feel like I need higher doses. When I was on 40 mg I definitely felt the flat dull feelings you describe, 20 mg seems like a decent half way point where I can still feel emotions, but keeps my mental health in check somewhat.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: Rukus]
    #28602801 - 12/29/23 11:41 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago)

I'm trying to figure out getting into it as well, and also to navigate the whole SSRI territory and my experiences with it myself


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: HazMatt]
    #28603945 - 12/30/23 10:04 PM (28 days, 17 hours ago)

I'm in your same boat but as a short timer (4yrs), good life, no real reason to be depressed... But I am. Got out in 2012 and have felt pretty empty for years despite a happy second marriage and a 2yr old. I've been on zoloft and welbutrin for probably 5 yrs but it's not like it's woken me up or anything. I'm also microdosing now, 0.2-0.3g per day. I've tapered my zoloft by half and will stay here for another couple weeks before tapering the welbutrin by half too. I don't know that the microdosing has improved my mood, but it's certainly given me more depth of emotion. Unfortunately that emotion currently is despondence due to my current work situation. I'm working on changing positions and committed to learning more about psychedelic medicine and seeing where it takes me.

I'm here to morally support and walk beside you.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
    #28604405 - 12/31/23 09:54 AM (28 days, 5 hours ago)

Zoloft and Wellbutrin together has worked for you eh? I have heard its a fairly common combination. Wellbutrin for me amplified my anxiety big time, could not tolerate it at all.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: Rukus]
    #28604434 - 12/31/23 10:20 AM (28 days, 5 hours ago)

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Zoloft and Wellbutrin together has worked for you eh? I have heard its a fairly common combination. Wellbutrin for me amplified my anxiety big time, could not tolerate it at all.




My wife had a similar reaction to you with welbutrin 300mg. She went back to welbutrin 150mg and then postpartum added Prozac 10mg and she's just stayed on it ever since. She's got Generalized anxiety disorder, I'm more PTSD/chronic depression.  For clarity I'm welbutrin 300mg, zoloft 50mg (self decreased from 100mg).

Edit: zoloft and welbutrin are the VA go-to, pretty much their "fries with that?" prescription.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: Rukus]
    #28604437 - 12/31/23 10:23 AM (28 days, 5 hours ago)

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Rukus said:
Zoloft and Wellbutrin together has worked for you eh? I have heard its a fairly common combination. Wellbutrin for me amplified my anxiety big time, could not tolerate it at all.




My wife had a similar reaction to you with welbutrin 300mg. She went back to welbutrin 150mg and then postpartum added Prozac 10mg and she's just stayed on it ever since. She's got Generalized anxiety disorder, I'm more PTSD/chronic depression.  For clarity I'm welbutrin 300mg, zoloft 50mg (self decreased from 100mg).


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
    #28604480 - 12/31/23 10:50 AM (28 days, 5 hours ago)

From a discussion at https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28586299#28586299

Post #1

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.


Post #2

Sorry man, I didn't spot your question.  It might be too late now, but in case you drop by now & then...

It's recognised that as you get older you have more depressive episodes and fewer manic / hypomanic.  Also, for completeness, I have PTSD as a result of horrific injuries sustained during a manic episode; I thought I was invincible, but I wasn't.

Whether the shrooms act as a mood stabiliser is perhaps doubtful, and I can't risk stopping the Lamotrigine (I flatly refused Lithium and Lamotrigine was the best alternative) to find out.  It takes months to titrate both up and down on Lamotrigine and skipping any stage can be fatal.

What they clearly HAVE done for me is mitigate the depressive episodes to the degree that they're imperceptible.

I had my latest session with the consultant psychiatrist a week or 2 back.  I really wanted to tell him about the shrooms, quitting the SSRIs (Fluoxetine) and antipsychotics (Olanzapine), but daren't in case he adjusted my risk rating.  The good news though is that he was so impressed by my last two sessions that I've been discharged into the care of my general practitioner with a note that my condition is considered to be in remission (with good compliance on medication LOL).  All I have to do now is continue blood tests every 6 months to monitor for any signs of cardiometabolic syndrome (due to the meds - I'm far from obese, weighing 67kg at 5'9").

This time of year is always the worst for me, mostly because it's just coming up to the anniversay of my sister dying, screaming in pain, in my arms.  For the first time since then, I'm looking forward to Christmas and know it's what she would want for me.

Will it last?  Who knows, but it's been 9 months and the psychiatrist is impressed by my progress, so I'll keep microdosing and take the occasional trip in the hope that it does.


(As an update - Christmas was awesome!)


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Edited by Janus62 (12/31/23 10:53 AM)


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: Janus62] * 1
    #28604572 - 12/31/23 12:19 PM (28 days, 3 hours ago)

Not OP but I remember reading your comment on the other post. I'm glad you're Christmas was good! And thank you for sharing.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
    #28605099 - 12/31/23 07:50 PM (27 days, 20 hours ago)

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GuyOnaBuffalo said:
Quote:

Rukus said:
Zoloft and Wellbutrin together has worked for you eh? I have heard its a fairly common combination. Wellbutrin for me amplified my anxiety big time, could not tolerate it at all.




My wife had a similar reaction to you with welbutrin 300mg. She went back to welbutrin 150mg and then postpartum added Prozac 10mg and she's just stayed on it ever since. She's got Generalized anxiety disorder, I'm more PTSD/chronic depression.  For clarity I'm welbutrin 300mg, zoloft 50mg (self decreased from 100mg).




No doubt. Best of luck man I wish you the best.


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Re: Microdosing and SSRIs? [Re: GuyOnaBuffalo]
    #28605318 - 01/01/24 12:01 AM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

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GuyOnaBuffalo said:
Not OP but I remember reading your comment on the other post. I'm glad you're Christmas was good! And thank you for sharing.




Thanks man.  I'd never say that microdosing is a panacea or that it'll work for everyone, but my own experience has been life changing so I feel almost morally obliged to share.

Happy new year to all.


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