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Rafiikii



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Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before
#28603751 - 12/30/23 07:30 PM (28 days, 14 hours ago) |
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resembles Psilocybe subaeruginosa to my eyes, curious to see what others think.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28603793 - 12/30/23 08:02 PM (28 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Obviously a Psilocybe, and definitely looks like Psilocybe subaeruginosa to me as well
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28603993 - 12/30/23 11:06 PM (28 days, 10 hours ago) |
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What color is the spore print?
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: KissMycelium]
#28604036 - 12/31/23 12:20 AM (28 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Beautiful!
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: mushiesincali]
#28604119 - 12/31/23 04:01 AM (28 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Damn, if only I could be that lucky!
Those are Beuts!!!
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28604189 - 12/31/23 06:09 AM (28 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Since you're in the Bay area, why not P. allenii?
Hard to tell though since they're fruiting outside their normal perimeters.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Anglerfish]
#28604477 - 12/31/23 10:49 AM (27 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Since you're in the Bay area, why not P. allenii?
Hard to tell though since they're fruiting outside their normal perimeters.
Doubtful with that distinct umbo and the veil remnants on the cap.
Where's that soil from?
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Ran-D]
#28604517 - 12/31/23 11:34 AM (27 days, 22 hours ago) |
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The houseplant that's in the pot is a Christmas cactus (not really a cactus.. and native to Brazil). I'd guess it was likely grown in a US greenhouse somewhere though.. Looks like you've got a nice collection of succulents there..
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Magic Badger]
#28604583 - 12/31/23 12:28 PM (27 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Magic Badger said: The houseplant that's in the pot is a Christmas cactus (not really a cactus.. and native to Brazil). I'd guess it was likely grown in a US greenhouse somewhere though.. Looks like you've got a nice collection of succulents there..
Well, actually they are in the cactus family
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Ran-D]
#28604659 - 12/31/23 02:12 PM (27 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Since you're in the Bay area, why not P. allenii?
Hard to tell though since they're fruiting outside their normal perimeters.
Doubtful with that distinct umbo and the veil remnants on the cap.
I'm thinking that since this is not growing in its usual habitat and microclimate, it might affect the morphology. Check for instance the grow logs of CaptainFuture's indoor P. semilanceata grow, and also some of his other grows of species that are rather difficult to cultivate, like P. zapotecorum or P. cyanofibrillosa.
They seem to all share the same feature where the cap margins turn upwards, very similar to Rafiikii's pot plant intruders here. So I suggest it might be growth conditions rather than species-specific traits.
Not that this phenomenon makes it P. allenii in itself, but rather that the mere looks of them might not correspond with the natural morphological features.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Anglerfish]
#28604852 - 12/31/23 04:36 PM (27 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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Anglerfish said: Since you're in the Bay area, why not P. allenii?
Hard to tell though since they're fruiting outside their normal perimeters.
Doubtful with that distinct umbo and the veil remnants on the cap.
I'm thinking that since this is not growing in its usual habitat and microclimate, it might affect the morphology. Check for instance the grow logs of CaptainFuture's indoor P. semilanceata grow, and also some of his other grows of species that are rather difficult to cultivate, like P. zapotecorum or P. cyanofibrillosa.
They seem to all share the same feature where the cap margins turn upwards, very similar to Rafiikii's pot plant intruders here. So I suggest it might be growth conditions rather than species-specific traits.
Not that this phenomenon makes it P. allenii in itself, but rather that the mere looks of them might not correspond with the natural morphological features.
I cross posted on a couple different platforms, and it turns out Alan is calling these Alleni
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28604870 - 12/31/23 04:53 PM (27 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Neat
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Land Trout]
#28604956 - 12/31/23 05:42 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Rafiikii said: I cross posted on a couple different platforms, and it turns out Alan is calling these Alleni
Yeah, I would think it is a more reasonable assumption than P. subaeruginosa at any rate. The striations on the cap margin would point more toward P. allenii than P. cyanescens, too. As for the umbo, I would think it might appear as such because of the upturned cap margin.
It would be cool to see some immature specimens as well.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Anglerfish]
#28604972 - 12/31/23 05:48 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago) |
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These deserve microscopy, to my mind…. But I agree that the morphology is not going to be a reliable indicator of species, in this case, and think Ps. allenii is most likely, but not definitive.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: manOwar]
#28605373 - 01/01/24 02:29 AM (27 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Psilocybe subaeruginosa can look like many things, but there is one variant in NZ that has a cap shape that these do remind me of. I have seen people refer to it as ‘makarorae aff’ as it reportedly sequences closest to that species.

However I don’t think cap shape means all that much. I agree that the conditions could be making any number of species that typically look a bit different look like this.
I think these should be sequenced if possible. It would surprise me if they sequenced close to makarorae.
If my memory is correct then mushrooms in the Southern Hemisphere that looked similar to this and were growing in a similar habitat have turned out to be related to zapotecorum and semilanceata.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28605390 - 01/01/24 03:29 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Mycoangulo said: I think these should be sequenced if possible. It would surprise me if they sequenced close to makarorae.
If my memory is correct then mushrooms in the Southern Hemisphere that looked similar to this and were growing in a similar habitat have turned out to be related to zapotecorum and semilanceata.
A sequence should be made, if not for more than confirmation that P. allenii (or whatever species it actually turns out to be) has a spreading potential which includes potted plants. I don't think that's due to happen to just any species like that. It is my impression that such habitat is very rare for Psilocybe species, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.
It might be possible to gain more knowledge of why certain species appear to have these seemingly odd preferences.
But of course, what I'm even more interested in is knowing how these beauties found their way in. I'm tempted to say that the plant owner's passion for hunting wild psychoactive mushrooms might have something to do with it.
On the other hand, how can we know that there aren't several people in the realtive vicinity having these growing out of their pots too, albeit lacking the curiosity to find out what it is? I have the idea that many people wouldn't even dare to touch the pot after discovering mushrooms were growing in it.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Anglerfish]
#28606517 - 01/01/24 10:16 PM (26 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Mycoangulo said: I think these should be sequenced if possible. It would surprise me if they sequenced close to makarorae.
If my memory is correct then mushrooms in the Southern Hemisphere that looked similar to this and were growing in a similar habitat have turned out to be related to zapotecorum and semilanceata.
A sequence should be made, if not for more than confirmation that P. allenii (or whatever species it actually turns out to be) has a spreading potential which includes potted plants. I don't think that's due to happen to just any species like that. It is my impression that such habitat is very rare for Psilocybe species, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.
It might be possible to gain more knowledge of why certain species appear to have these seemingly odd preferences.
But of course, what I'm even more interested in is knowing how these beauties found their way in. I'm tempted to say that the plant owner's passion for hunting wild psychoactive mushrooms might have something to do with it.
On the other hand, how can we know that there aren't several people in the realtive vicinity having these growing out of their pots too, albeit lacking the curiosity to find out what it is? I have the idea that many people wouldn't even dare to touch the pot after discovering mushrooms were growing in it.
oddly enough these were found in a friends succulent garden, he's not an avid mushroom hunter nor mycology enthusiast. I saw them and instantly knew they looked different. Thus why I posted them here, out of curiosity. Personally they don't resemble Allenii to me at all. Never seen veil remnants or umbos like that before with that species
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28606568 - 01/02/24 12:36 AM (26 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Veil remnants?
I haven’t noticed them in the photos, but I did look for any signs of an annulus. My initial thought was Psilocybe stuntzii, but the lack of any sign of an annulus on any of them that I could find is why I never brought that up.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28607006 - 01/02/24 12:10 PM (25 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Rafiikii said: oddly enough these were found in a friends succulent garden, he's not an avid mushroom hunter nor mycology enthusiast. I saw them and instantly knew they looked different. Thus why I posted them here, out of curiosity. Personally they don't resemble Allenii to me at all. Never seen veil remnants or umbos like that before with that species
Well, certainly any suggestion based on these pictures will just be a hypothesis without more data. I don't personally see any prominent veil remnants, just a caramel colored cap with an upturned margin and what appears to be a broad but not very pronounced umbo, a whitish and slightly fibrillose stem with obvious blue bruising in the lower half.
What we apparently lack is a visible spore print and a specification of substrate. Regarding the latter, it would help to know if there is any woody debris or bark shavings mixed with the potting soil, or even manure? Knowing the origins of the soil mixture would be helpful as well, as would the origin of the succulent. Also, are they growing indoors or outdoors? Garden greenhouse, perhaps? Temps would certainly be of importance.
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Mycoangulo said: Veil remnants?
I haven’t noticed them in the photos, but I did look for any signs of an annulus. My initial thought was Psilocybe stuntzii, but the lack of any sign of an annulus on any of them that I could find is why I never brought that up.
I would guess P.stuntzii would retain its annulus growing in a controlled environment like this appears to be. I'm also under the impression that said species has a slightly different tone of color in the cap.
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Re: Hunting the Bay Area for well over a decade and never found anything like this before [Re: Rafiikii]
#28607404 - 01/02/24 04:41 PM (25 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I have to correct myself now, looking closer at some of the caps I think I indeed see whitish veil remnants on the cap surface of a few of the pictured specimens:
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Furthermore I checked another of the great Captain's old grows, and it seems to me that his indoor grown P. cyanofibrillosa are a pretty good match in their overall appearance:
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The species is said to grow from Northern California to BC, Canada.
I don't know, but could it possibly be a contender?
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