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How stable is the cuminaldehyde adduct of Lyrsergic Acid Amides? * 1
    #28578714 - 12/11/23 02:49 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

Hi I've been re-connecting with my first ally, Tliltlitzin recently and had a successful cinnamaldehyde adduction. This was great, but I'm after more of the "Divine healing" and "holy" feels, cinnamon feels really, really powerfully speedy, like a party drug, something you take at a rave.
So far all my peppermint experiments have failed, but I'm pretty sure I can get them all to work now.  But the peppermint one is not stable at room temperature, and it has to be like 400 degrees farenhiet or something like that to get the cinnamaldehyde adduct to break down.
Is the cuminaldehyde more stable than peppermint?  How would I find out the temperature where it becomes unstable?
Also, I would like to try do do this with prope;yne glycol instead of alcohol, would that work or not?

I live in New Mexico, it is legal for me to take natural psychedelics and natural admixtures for religious purposes and I'm in the same county that made shrooms legal in David Pratt V New Mexico.  Haven't been here for a long time so a moderator may correct me if I'm supposed to SWIM or not.  I know one old forum I used to get on explicitly said not to.  might have been shroomery.  Going retro on internet.


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Re: How stable is the cuminaldehyde adduct of Lyrsergic Acid Amides? [Re: Coz the Shroom]
    #28594634 - 12/22/23 11:17 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Huh. Interesting :strokebeard:

Have you tried a regular CWE with just pure water?


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Re: How stable is the cuminaldehyde adduct of Lyrsergic Acid Amides? [Re: Coz the Shroom] * 1
    #28603317 - 12/30/23 01:07 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

Is it a claim that the adduct formation is spontaneous?

Doesn't the action of direct substitution in regards to the formation of lysergic adducts, where the aldehyde is added to the amine, require an energetic input as all molecular bonds do? It there some catalyst being used to decrease the energy of activation for this or are people just expecting that adding an aldehyde rich material to a lysergic rich material will facilitate this addition?

I'd think that a lewis acid might be useful here, to promote the formation of the adducts by direct addition.

I keep checking but can't find confirmation of adduct formation in terms of analytical evidence. Just testimonials, which are a form of hearsay when they lack corroborating evidence.

The largest source of claims about adducts of lysergic acid is someone who is infamous for presenting speculative and suspect information as proven fact. He has even been banned from at least one forum for just that. There is a serious need for more evidence in regard to this topic. There may be other viable explanations for the activity people report with various preparations.

Vanillin is an aldehyde.
Why aren't people talking about adding vanillin to lysergic acid mixtures? Has anyone tried that?


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Re: How stable is the cuminaldehyde adduct of Lyrsergic Acid Amides? [Re: Nillion]
    #28603611 - 12/30/23 05:34 PM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

Quote:

Vanillin is an aldehyde.
Why aren't people talking about adding vanillin to lysergic acid mixtures? Has anyone tried that?




read my mind  :thumbup:

answer: probably because it doesn't quite work. :sad:


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Re: How stable is the cuminaldehyde adduct of Lyrsergic Acid Amides? [Re: Coz the Shroom]
    #28603727 - 12/30/23 07:02 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

Just speculating here but can't the oxygen of aldehydes react with amines to form imines under acidic conditions and isn't this something that has not been considered by the advocates of the aldehyde adduct theory?


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