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Science education for children is a joke * 1
    #28603244 - 12/30/23 11:51 AM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

Children are being taught science in a way that almost seems deliberately intended to discourage them from pursuing it. A good first step is to give a child any kind of tool that enables them to see things they otherwise cannot: any kind lens for bending light to reveal either the invisibly tiny or 'far away/old'.

Seeing isn't believing. The experience of seeing an entire world normally invisible to you is shocking. It is frightening. It is awe-inspiring.

Consider how many of the people who, for example, think covid tests where implanting microchips into their brains, know how cultivate their own microorganisms ans prepare a microscope slide? I can't be certain but I have a feeling the answer is virtually none.

If you're a religious person and you're concerned that empowering your child with the tools to find answers without relying on the judgment and honesty of other people will undermine the religious beliefs you want them to have, consider this: if you look at the map of the brain, towards the last hand side around the amygdala you will see a circuit labeled fear of God. Awe/Wow*-inspiring experiences correlate with increased electrical activity here, and peeking at an entire world you literally nurtured from a distance, on faith/principles** under a microscope is, in my experience, the quintessential awe inspiring experience.

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**The first time you do it it's always an Act of Faith. Every time you appeal to scientific authorities to justify something you do or think you are also committing an act of faith. The older people are the less they're able to simply take instruction, and therefore the less likely they are to pursue things like microscopy. An adult must be convinced that it's worth their time and trust. If you simply tell children what to do without requiring them to memorize a bunch of information about biology first, the awe will be inspired; the child will say 'wow'* when they look under the microscope and see a bunch of little creatures moving around even though they don't know anything about them. They will want to know. From then on, the task of memorizing information will not feel like a chore, it will be a compulsion. In my experience.


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: morrowasted]
    #28603250 - 12/30/23 11:57 AM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

While I'm at it, language education is also being done completely wrong. Just start talking to children in other languages when they're really little. Don't teach them the language. You want me to.

11 year old niece is taking a Spanish class and it's obvious she's not learning anything and will retain nothing useful. No amount of me encouraging her to roll her R's, demonstrating it, or trying to explain how to do  it ('rest the tip of your tongue in the space where your teeth meet your gums and let out a short burst of air while relaxing the tip of your tongue but keeping the back flexed') enables her to.

On the other hand my 7-year-old niece was able to figure out how to roll her R's in about 2 minutes. I did not explain anything about how to do it I just did it and then said now you try it and after trying it a few times she did it. If I tried to do the same thing a year and a half from now it would be a lot less likely to work. It's that straightforward.


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: morrowasted]
    #28603266 - 12/30/23 12:13 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

We’re teaching our kid by letting them raise baby fish, collecting mushrooms and just looking at them with the magnifying glass and stereoscope, kissing and touching Petri dishes, and listing it to kids songs in other languages. He’s literally teaching me some Korean.
We are absolutely terrified at the boredom he will experience when he’s old enough to go to school.


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: morrowasted]
    #28603270 - 12/30/23 12:16 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

the way language is often taught is like trying to teach someone to ride a bicyle by studying physics

I was so excited to learn science in elementary school, and was horrified to discover they just wanted me to memorize the names of things without actually explaining how it works. I had to wait till college to start learning, the time wasted in public school could have been spent learning things


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: Land Trout] * 2
    #28603272 - 12/30/23 12:17 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

I was cramming my dad's chemistry books at age 10 because i wanted to make fireworks!

I made fireworks :mypleasure:


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28603282 - 12/30/23 12:29 PM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

I went to a private Catholic school from first through 12th grade and while I think I got short changed in math, I definitely came out on top of my peers from the public schools in my city still.  Like I never cut class a day in my life, we couldn't.  My friends in public school back then some would have like 25+ absences and still were pushed through :lol:



I just saw a short news clip speaking to I think Finland teachers and the teachers were saying when they came to the USA, the standardized testing is what ruins our education system because we are just teaching kids to pass these dumbass tests.


It's fucked up though, like I am in my 30s and some of my friends are walking around saying stuff like "It's the evolutionary THEORY, doesnt mean it's true."  Those types of embarrassing statements because they weren't shown enough evidence about that stuff.  Same with climate change conversations.  I just said to my friend this week... think about what you're saying and who you are siding with.  You are agreeing with oil companies yet you aren't even able to name a greenhouse gas...




It is worrisome.  Honestly covid kind of woke me up about this stuff, we are surrounded by retards bro.  Even in our shared field, I had someone say the vaccine changes your DNA, it's just cringe, there's something very wrong when someone can receive  bachelors of science here and say some 2+2=9 type shit.


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28603386 - 12/30/23 02:25 PM (29 days, 22 minutes ago)

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PreparationH said:

It is worrisome.  Honestly covid kind of woke me up about this stuff, we are surrounded by retards bro.  Even in our shared field, I had someone say the vaccine changes your DNA, it's just cringe, there's something very wrong when someone can receive  bachelors of science here and say some 2+2=9 type shit.





We are in a pandemic of people losing their goddamn minds. Seriously. From all sides people are having sensible logical brain partitions formatted and filled with bullshit. There is a risk that in some time, too few people have their head on straight enough to keep 8 billion people alive.

Not just misinformation but people are losing the plot.


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Re: Science education for children is a joke [Re: Asante]
    #28603483 - 12/30/23 03:42 PM (28 days, 23 hours ago)

We might have too many toys. George Washington Carver walked like 20 miles everyday to go to school. If he had a smartphone he probably would've just stayed home.


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