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Powdered_Toastman



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Addiction 2
#28602855 - 12/30/23 01:31 AM (29 days, 13 hours ago) |
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I always thought addiction was a funny word and carried such a negative connotation with it by our society. Like we've been conditioned to be ashamed if we are addicted to something but why is that? It just depends on what it is it seems that changes the way its perceived but the root behavior is still a strong force and a persistent one.
If you think about it, the greatest minds in history were adicts. where we are today in life would not exist if it wasn't for adicts. How else do you think anything would get done? People have to be passionate about stuff or else the species would have died out a long time ago.
I mean look at scientists or people that pursued a deep passion and just didn't carry it out in self destructive behaviors or knew that about themselves and decided to play it safe without ever trying and the same behaviors applied to their hobby or whatever to get them the level of success today where they are.
You think Steve Jobs holed up on computers for nights on end not taking care of himself wasn't addictive behavior? Don't you think some people might have thought he was a bit strange or worried for him or that he was a bit "obsessive". That people probably tried to shame him for it before it ended up becoming the most used thing on the planet.
Look at Einstein. Homie left his family to go obsess about math.
Literally anyone you look at in our society as someone who has made it in life with their passion they were an addict. Or even for the sake of balance the most evil minds in the world also were addicts but you get my point.
So if you are an addict like me and are ever feeling down on yourself or society is making you feel shame and guilt. Just remember that addiction is just a word but there lies passion behind those words. Interpret how you will but don't forget you are human and deserving of love. You matter and are important and it's okay to make mistakes. Even If you relapsed oh well don't beat yourself up just keep going thats all you can do. One day at a time.
Love you all hope you are having a wonderful night 
Edited by Powdered_Toastman (12/30/23 05:53 AM)
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-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Powdered_Toastman said:
Literally anyone you look at in our society as someone who has made it in life with their passion they were an adict.
Err, no.
Also: "addict".
This is one of the many attempts to somehow justify self-destructive or at least unproductive behavior by some kind of flawed logic. Fool yourself if you must; it's still ridiculous. Smoking pot all day doesn't put you on the same level as Einstein. Now get off that couch and do something productive.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks] 1
#28602902 - 12/30/23 03:06 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Schuman had to be institutionalized because he was insane. Van Gogh cut off his own ear. Really creative people have had demons in their lives. They are prone to addiction. Your comment was unnecessarily mean. People struggle with addiction. Isn’t as simple as get up and go to work. People can’t get paid unless they have an address in a lot of cases for one example.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks]
#28602903 - 12/30/23 03:07 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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A former friend of mine, as a teen, glorified alcoholism. Only at age 50 could he quit, and this only with a lot of Jesus.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks]
#28602904 - 12/30/23 03:08 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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koraks said:
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Literally anyone you look at in our society as someone who has made it in life with their passion they were an adict.
Err, no.
Also: "addict".
This is one of the many attempts to somehow justify self-destructive or at least unproductive behavior by some kind of flawed logic. Fool yourself if you must; it's still ridiculous. Smoking pot all day doesn't put you on the same level as Einstein. Now get off that couch and do something productive.
That's not the point I was making at all 
The point is that the energy and drive is the same with addiction. The behavior around it is the same. Just different methods of execution for that energy.
If you can choose to redirect or find a way to it is very powerful. The reason people like Einstein and Steve Jobs became successful is because they had that same addictive energy and put it towards something society doesn't deem negative.
If you can redirect your passion for getting baked on the sofa into something productive it's amazing what can happen.
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Re: Addiction [Re: Asante]
#28602906 - 12/30/23 03:15 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Asante said: A former friend of mine, as a teen, glorified alcoholism. Only at age 50 could he quit, and this only with a lot of Jesus.
Once again I think my post was completely lost
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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koraks said:
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Powdered_Toastman said:
Literally anyone you look at in our society as someone who has made it in life with their passion they were an adict.
Err, no.
Also: "addict".
This is one of the many attempts to somehow justify self-destructive or at least unproductive behavior by some kind of flawed logic. Fool yourself if you must; it's still ridiculous. Smoking pot all day doesn't put you on the same level as Einstein. Now get off that couch and do something productive.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Handel had to be institutionalized because he was insane. Leonardo da Vinci cut off his own ear. Really creative people have had demons in their lives. They are prone to addiction. Your comment was unnecessarily mean. People struggle with addiction. Isn’t as simple as get up and go to work. People can’t get paid unless they have an address in a lot of cases for one example.
I was actually hoping for a post like koraks and more to only prove my point further. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions koraks isn't mean he is just uneducated and probably stuck in his ways 
And the defense to that will probably be a jab at my own habits or my spelling errors cause thats all he's got.
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people like Einstein and Steve Jobs
people like one of the defining people in physics of the last century, and a thief.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Handel had to be institutionalized because he was insane. Leonardo da Vinci cut off his own ear.
Is your google broken or what? Handel led a productive life, migrating as a successful musician and composer to England, where he enjoyed even more success, adapting his style to what was fashionable as needed. Leonardo lived to a ripe old age and no signs are present of any mental instability other than perhaps a very severe infatuation with his somewhat young lover.
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Powdered_Toastman said: The point is that the energy and drive is the same with addiction.
No, it isn't.
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Powdered_Toastman said: Notice how right off the bat it is met with negativity.
Yeah, weird huh, how people become all negative when we're talking about how people have their lives destroyed because of addiction issues.
My fiancee works in psychiatry and there's really nothing funny about the 'energy' of a game-addicted teenager with zero social contacts, a failure to stay in any form of educational program, money problems and dysfunctional family ties because they're glued to a monitor all day. There's also nothing funny about the homeless people my mother-in-law used to care for many of whom ended up in the streets due to mostly alcohol addiction.
So odd that people would make a problem of addition. They must be batshit crazy.
Get your head from the clouds, son. A turd only looks like a piece of chocolate if you don't look at it closely. Addiction and passion or dedication may look the same to you up to the point where you switch on the grey mass of blubber between your ears. I suggest you start doing that.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks]
#28602917 - 12/30/23 03:27 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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I was thinking of schuman. The principal still stands.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks] 3
#28602918 - 12/30/23 03:28 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Powdered_Toastman said: Notice how right off the bat it is met with negativity.
Yeah, weird huh, how people become all negative when we're talking about how people have their lives destroyed because of addiction issues.
My fiancee works in psychiatry and there's really nothing funny about the 'energy' of a game-addicted teenager with zero social contacts, a failure to stay in any form of educational program, money problems and dysfunctional family ties because they're glued to a monitor all day. There's also nothing funny about the homeless people my mother-in-law used to care for many of whom ended up in the streets due to mostly alcohol addiction.
So odd that people would make a problem of addition. They must be batshit crazy.
Get your head from the clouds, son. A turd only looks like a piece of chocolate if you don't look at it closely. Addiction and passion or dedication may look the same to you up to the point where you switch on the grey mass of blubber between your ears. I suggest you start doing that.
Lmao I was homeless for 7 years and lost most of the people I love to addiction and have been 6 years clean off the needle and almost 1 year off alcohol.
It kind of sounds like some projection is going on on your part. Maybe you've been attached to screens a little too much?
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
Edited by Powdered_Toastman (12/30/23 03:34 AM)
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GenesisCorrupted said: I was thinking of schuman. The principal still stands.
No, the principle does not stand. Your lack of ability to discern things is the issue here.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks]
#28602922 - 12/30/23 03:32 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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I was one of those people your fiance worked with and also one of those homeless people your mother in law worked with and cared for.
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
Edited by Powdered_Toastman (12/30/23 03:39 AM)
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Powdered_Toastman said: I was one of those people your fiance works with
I'm sorry to hear about your troubled past. It doesn't change anything about the fatal flaws in your reasoning.
This website is about harm reduction/prevention. Addiction is no joke, as you well know. It's also incomparable in a physical, psychological and social sense to dedication to a passion such as science, art etc.
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Re: Addiction [Re: koraks] 3
#28602925 - 12/30/23 03:40 AM (29 days, 11 hours ago) |
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What I discerned was, you told him to get off the couch and get his head out of the clouds. When the guy is talking about addiction.
It’s a daily struggle for people. It’s not something that can just be set aside on the couch and walked away from. An incredibly dismissive suggestion like that needed some correction.
No offense. But haven’t you heard the story Richard Pryor told about coming back to crack after years of never using it. It’s not something that just goes away.
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Perhaps I misinterpreted Koraks. Thank you Powderedtoastman. Hope you have a good night.
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