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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28602322 - 12/29/23 01:58 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

Epic man! I gotta say, Im pretty jelly :sadyes:

I hope to see some pics! :popcorn:


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: yoosername]
    #28602326 - 12/29/23 02:00 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

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Eastern Prince is the one I have, they are very difficult to clone so seeds may be a good option.

If you want fast plants, hardy kiwis are supposed to be very prolific.





Are the Eastern Prince seeds viable?


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28602418 - 12/29/23 03:52 PM (29 days, 20 hours ago)

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Oregon Grape makes Berberine, but I think it's just in the roots or something. Not the berries?



Inner bark and root bark are where it is concentrated.
Stolons are especially rich in it.
Berberine is bright yellow, you can snap a Mahonia twig or root or scape the outer bark away and see it. Older branches have more.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28602468 - 12/29/23 05:07 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

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Are the Eastern Prince seeds viable?



I'd assume so, I planted mine in a bad spot so it's still pretty small.  Taking cuttings off of it didn't help either.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Nillion]
    #28602598 - 12/29/23 06:58 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago)

Ok, I've made some adjustments.

Got rid of both currants and both gooseberries. They are susceptible to honey fungus, and we have it in our yard. In fact, it's killing my maples. Substituted seeds for red and black currants.

Got rid of the Norway Spruce. All I want it for is making spruce beer, and I can probably find a native substitute.

Got rid of Blue Hawthorn (Crataegus Schraderana). Actually want this one, but it's $75 with shipping. It's supposedly the best tasting Hawthorn, but I'm mostly interested in Hawthorn for medicinal use, and the most medicinal one is also the most common one, and the seeds are cheap. I can't find a source for Schraderana seeds in the us. Every source I found is in Europe somewhere, and won't ship to the U.S.

Added 3 Issai, 2 Anna(F) and 2 Meader(M) hardy kiwi plants.

Added Schisandra chinensis seeds.

Added Blue False Indigo seeds just to get free shipping. :smirk:

All orders are placed, now. Still came in at about $700 including the hazelnuts I already got.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28604961 - 12/31/23 05:43 PM (27 days, 18 hours ago)

I dont know whether you are in the hardiness zone for jackfruit, but if so definitely get those.

Fruits of 10-40lbs, lots of seeds which are i believe 30% protein.

jackfruit grows very fast, its roots dig 100ft deep to the aquifer and its a high yielder. its a prime candidate for solving world hunger.



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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Asante]
    #28605114 - 12/31/23 07:57 PM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

Nope. I'm 4 zones too far north. In the continental U.S., it could only be grown in a tiny area of Florida, and a tiny sliver of the coast of southern California.

Some parts of Hawaii, and the territories in the Caribbean. Puerto Rico would be jackfruit heaven.

My roommate has an old frame from a trampoline. I'm gonna ask him if I can turn it into a trellis for the kiwiberries. He's not doing anything with it, and I think both he and his kid eat a lot of kiwi, so I'm pretty sure he'll go for it.

That would be an arch 6 feet high, about 10 feet deep, and 12 feet wide. In a few years, it would be a tunnel covered in thick vines loaded with thousands of tiny kiwi fruit. The onegreenworld website shows yield of one vine as 100+ pounds. I think I got 5 females and 2 males. I could put the males on a smaller trellis nearby, giving the female vines over 300 square feet to grow. Plausibly, it could produce 200+ pounds of fruit per year, which is about enough calories for one person for a month.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
    #28607300 - 01/02/24 03:32 PM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

Autmn olive is pretty invasive. We don't have any in my area, and I wouldn't want to be the one that got all that mess started around here, but if it's already everywhere where you are, then why not.

Goumis and Seaberries are similar, but not nearly as invasive.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
    #28607666 - 01/02/24 08:12 PM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

The Ethics of Horticulture :takingnotes:

We got a huge blackberry problem in Oregon. Its everywhere.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28608382 - 01/03/24 11:52 AM (25 days, 3 minutes ago)

Right on man!

Carolina buckthorn is a very attractive tree,  and it grows here. I'll have to take some cuttings next time I see it for my yard as well  :yesnod:


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28608387 - 01/03/24 11:55 AM (25 days, 11 seconds ago)

Also, I just ordered some Zizyphus spinosa (Sour Jujube) seed. I've been on the waitlist for months, and they just came in. They make good rootstock for Zizyphus jujuba. If I can get them going, I have found a source for Kongfucui jujube scions, which don't seem to be available as plants yet. They're supposed to be some great new variety developed in New Mexico a few years ago. I'll probably do a Li and a Lang too, for comparison, and pollination.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28608402 - 01/03/24 12:15 PM (24 days, 23 hours ago)

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Also, I just ordered some Zizyphus spinosa (Sour Jujube) seed. I've been on the waitlist for months, and they just came in. They make good rootstock for Zizyphus jujuba. If I can get them going, I have found a source for Kongfucui jujube scions, which don't seem to be available as plants yet. They're supposed to be some great new variety developed in New Mexico a few years ago. I'll probably do a Li and a Lang too, for comparison, and pollination.




Man,  you really are going all out!

What is your grow zone by the way?


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
    #28608949 - 01/03/24 09:07 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago)

I'm in Zone 7a.

Mulberry, Juneberry, and Medlar are out. The nursery I was getting them from ran out of mulberry, and it wasn't worth the shipping on just the other 2. I'll try again next November. I think I got enough going on.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28608966 - 01/03/24 09:36 PM (24 days, 14 hours ago)

Yeah, i would build a chicken wire enclosure if you really want to grow blackberries on your property. They are a pain to deal with but those delicious plentiful berries thou....


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28609067 - 01/04/24 02:50 AM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

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I'm in Zone 7a.

Mulberry, Juneberry, and Medlar are out. The nursery I was getting them from ran out of mulberry, and it wasn't worth the shipping on just the other 2. I'll try again next November. I think I got enough going on.




I'm right with you on the zone.  Well I'm 7b, but same difference basically.

You'd be amazed on how many tropicls that can be grown in the ground in our area and come back every year with absolutely no protection!


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
    #28609778 - 01/04/24 06:11 PM (23 days, 17 hours ago)

If you're sure about the varieties, you can sell the cuttings on etsy or figbid.

how much fruit do you normally get from a tree that was killed to the ground over winter? That Ross guy grows some super dense, like 3-4 feet apart, which is way too close if they aren't dying back, but works if they do.


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28610099 - 01/05/24 03:30 AM (23 days, 8 hours ago)

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If you're sure about the varieties, you can sell the cuttings on etsy or figbid.

how much fruit do you normally get from a tree that was killed to the ground over winter? That Ross guy grows some super dense, like 3-4 feet apart, which is way too close if they aren't dying back, but works if they do.




I have a mission,  some olympians,  and two others that I totally can not remember for the life of me.

My trees top out at about seven or eight feet,  all attained from a single growing season. But,  the one year that we had a really mild winter,  when they did not die back,  I got about ten feet on my mission. And the spread is about five feet or so. 

I get so much fruit from them all, that I can actually go out every morning and pick enough to keep a small family very happy.

I'll have to shoot you some pics this spring when they start coming out,  and some more when they are full of fruit  :cool:

I never knew about fig bid, but I'm checking it out now, thanks a lot!!!



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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28612360 - 01/06/24 09:16 PM (21 days, 14 hours ago)

Added Illinois Bundleflower seeds.

You can never have to many perennial legumes. :borfase:


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Re: Throwing $700 at permaculture project. [Re: Towns77]
    #28615966 - 01/10/24 04:20 AM (18 days, 7 hours ago)

Well,  this is the end of all my fig trees  :sad:

I'm going to go hack as many big branches off that I can before that happens.

It's not even supposed to be this remotely cold here,  not even in January!

Alaska has come to my neck of the woods,  and I do not like it  :mad2:




On a side note,  that big old five foot long branch that I took,  is pushing out new buds and has roots!

I'm going to  grow lots of potted figs and bring them in  for the winter next season, so I can get a head start.

Oh wait! I'm acting lie this is the fig thread in the garden :doh:

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    #28616150 - 01/10/24 09:32 AM (18 days, 2 hours ago)

We're getting something similar here. I'm bringing the potted figs in and out depending on the weather so they don't get too cold and die, or come out of dormancy, and can't go outside for the season until May. I'd like to have them out by March.

The in-ground figs have banana boxes full of mostly dead sorghum and corn stalks and leaves over them, covered in plastic. I probably ought to add some mulch, too.

Had big wind come through yesterday, and blew over the cages I had put over two of the three hazelnuts because I forgot to staple them down. It bent them over, but didn't break or up root them, so maybe they're ok. I stomped the soil back down around them, and it was the consistency of thick oatmeal because of all the rain. I have concerns about drainage.


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