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Patlal
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A question for heroin addicts. 1
#28601323 - 12/28/23 06:17 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm? Or is this just a TV thing?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28601347 - 12/28/23 06:31 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Its happened. Ive seen it happen to others too. But its more like I was already high and falling asleep while trying to shoot up more.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal] 1
#28601518 - 12/28/23 08:22 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Falling asleep or nodding out?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28601520 - 12/28/23 08:24 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Aren't they different? I've been told you don't know your nodding and sleep your feeling Yourself fall asleep Is that accurate?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28601608 - 12/28/23 09:52 PM (30 days, 17 hours ago) |
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You know when youre nodding out. Unless you do so much you black out but thats different.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28601611 - 12/28/23 09:59 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Thank you for clarifying
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28601617 - 12/28/23 10:07 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Question for clarification If someone tells me they can't feel when they nod out. It just happens Can it be an indication using to much?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28601788 - 12/29/23 04:46 AM (30 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Patlal said: Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm? Or is this just a TV thing?
If you have heroin that "lasts for hours", you better stock up.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Tulipslave]
#28601790 - 12/29/23 04:54 AM (30 days, 10 hours ago) |
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I'm not a user, but I know that some heroin shooters take their shot in little bumps with the syringe in the vein in between. Every bump gives a flash, and it prevents OD.

Of course you can nod out during this.
A large overdose of fentanyl analogs can knock you into non-breathing unconsiousness until your heart gives out, ie kill you on the spot.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602103 - 12/29/23 11:01 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Patlal said: Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm? Or is this just a TV thing?
It never happened to me or my friends during my years of addiction except for once. Even doing dilaudid and other fast acting opiates, me and my friends essentially never had this problem.
More common was one of us having the overused, burnt to shit needle (lived in a state where you needed an insulin prescription to get clean rigs) either bend or straight up break off in their arm/vein. Also one time I was in a rush to do a shot of dope (who would’ve guessed) and I didn’t loosen up my tie before injecting in my wrist vein and it swelled up like a mini balloon. That was scary but it ended up being aiight
Lots of poop stories too
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Psicomb]
#28602111 - 12/29/23 11:11 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I don't use but a couple years ago I went to use a washroom and found two guys nodded out. One had a needle still in his arm. It was an eerie sight. I didn't have a phone but found someone who did. Ambulance came right away. One survived, one didn't. Be very careful if your using. Fentanyl is an assassin.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602131 - 12/29/23 11:24 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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It is an assassin
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28602136 - 12/29/23 11:28 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I used to not know I was nodding out. Family yelling at me to wake up. Me "what what im awake leave me alone"
Cant answer needle question I never got that far, but definitely nodded out and "woke up" later in in awkward positions and what not.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602143 - 12/29/23 11:35 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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That's what my son told me. He didn't know.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28602153 - 12/29/23 11:40 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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loladoreen said: It is an assassin
Sounds like a weapon to me! Where's it manufactured?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602163 - 12/29/23 11:45 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Fentanyl is synthetic so wherever manufactured
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602164 - 12/29/23 11:46 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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All over the United States , mexico, china.. everywhere
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: wolf8312]
#28602166 - 12/29/23 11:47 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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loladoreen said: It is an assassin
Sounds like a weapon to me! Where's it manufactured?
Fentanyl is a chemical weapon that's been used.
China used to make it for the American market, but they illegalized it. Nowadays Cartels produce it.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
#28602176 - 12/29/23 11:51 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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Some big labs busted in Canada too. Some of them had many millions of doses ready to go.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602180 - 12/29/23 11:53 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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There's labs everywhere. One about an hour from me. Im in the PNW
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
#28602194 - 12/29/23 12:01 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago) |
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wolf8312 said:
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loladoreen said: It is an assassin
Sounds like a weapon to me! Where's it manufactured?
Fentanyl is a chemical weapon that's been used.
China used to make it for the American market, but they illegalized it. Nowadays Cartels produce it.
Is that because there exists a big demand for it from punters? Or are they cutting other drugs with it, or selling it on to US dealers who will cut their smack/drugs with it?
Whoever it is they are really shitting on the whole drug thing! Talk about killing the market!
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602197 - 12/29/23 12:02 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago) |
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It kills people The dosage changes
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28602243 - 12/29/23 12:35 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago) |
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When my nephew died of a heroin OD, he was found needle still in his body apparently.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602249 - 12/29/23 12:43 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago) |
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I'm so sorry
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28602267 - 12/29/23 12:58 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Fentanyl chemistry is not very complicated, except when you try not to die or get people killed.
A hectare of poppies is worked by a family to produce over 10kg opium which works out to a kg heroin. These are fewer doses than one gram of 3-methylfentanyl, which is 3200x as potent as morphine in its racemic form that can be made in a test tube. A kilo of that equals 2 tons of street heroin. Thats as much as a poppy producing region produces in a season.
People think in greed, not coffins.
In Latvia, where fent goes round the longest, 3-methylfentanyl is preferred to fentanyl because fentanyl addition is unlivable, requiring about 12 doses in a day, whereas 3-MF is longer acting, requiring 4-5 like heroin, allowing some degree of a sustainable life, unlike the super shortacting fentanyls.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
#28602282 - 12/29/23 01:08 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Asante said: Fentanyl chemistry is not very complicated, except when you try not to die or get people killed.
A hectare of poppies is worked by a family to produce over 10kg opium which works out to a kg heroin. These are fewer doses than one gram of 3-methylfentanyl, which is 3200x as potent as morphine in its racemic form that can be made in a test tube. A kilo of that equals 2 tons of street heroin. Thats as much as a poppy producing region produces in a season.
People think in greed, not coffins.
Its no wonder there is really no actual heroin on the streets anymore, for people interested in making money and don't care about human lives its a no brainer.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602298 - 12/29/23 01:19 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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I know a handful of people who still use heroin.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Rukus]
#28602300 - 12/29/23 01:22 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Or when you finally find heroin, its cut with fentanyl so that half the high you need fcks off in the first hour, leaving you with the rug pulled from under you.
Or, there is that veterinary drug in the mix, sedating you more than you get high while it eats at you.
compare the lack of care for the user experience with some xtc manufacturers who color, piperonal-scent and balance a bit of MDA in their XTC for that total thrill.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28602305 - 12/29/23 01:27 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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The heroin users I know test it for fentanyl Because they are IV users Heroin users and coke users are the ones who I give the most fentanyl test strips to.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal] 2
#28602389 - 12/29/23 03:17 PM (29 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Patlal said: Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm? Or is this just a TV thing?
Ive known more that have been found hours later with a needle in their arm not awake
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
#28602638 - 12/29/23 07:21 PM (29 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Fentanyl slowed a lot of IV use. The ones who tell me they have usually say it was in hopes of overdosing. Which I find tragic.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28602706 - 12/29/23 08:09 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I don't know about that
In the US fent dope is essentially all that's available outside of certain parts of TX and CA and some other spots in those areas, and even there the fent is creeping into the bags as well as the xylazine and other zines/zenes. The street markets are still strong as ever regardless
It just seems to have put the pedal to the medal on deaths, people who otherwise could've lasted many years on real heroin have long since passed from from fentanyl or the many combinations being sold as "dope". Many of my friends lost that battle since it came around
When I was snorting and shooting real heroin, I never woke up with a needle in my arm. If the shot was that strong it likely would have killed me outright, I always had enough time to take the needle out and settle down... usually I was right back to work or whatever I was up to after a hit
Things are much different these days, which is a large part of why I was actually able to quit for good. Lots of others haven't had enough time to make that choice
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: feevers]
#28602718 - 12/29/23 08:26 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I still remember the first time fent hit the street in my area. I was living just north of Boston, and the dealers out of Lawrence (dominican dudes who'd been arrested, extradited and sent back multiple times before hopping the border and coming back up) used to wrap the bags in red balloons when they knew someone had died off that batch
I went to my guy's (middleman for the same folks) house to get the bag and he was barely conscious, nodding off the whole time and it took me like an hour just to buy the bag from him because he was so out of it. It was a red balloon batch, when I got it home I took a small taster sniff to gauge the potency, woke up 2 hours later on the floor with no memory of anything. My whole face felt fuzzy, went right back to it and felt no euphoria and rush but nothing but pure sedation from it... it killed the sickness though which was more than what I was getting from other weaker sources though so we sought it out. I was 18 or 19 at the time
The next week an article came out in our local paper that 14 people in my town OD'd that month from a new batch of heroin laced with fentanyl, luckily it was at a time where I was already half-living much further north in the mountains trying to kick due to a horrible lung infection from shitty dope I was getting off another source. The people I was buying from died and/or moved on so I was left pretty much dry... which was a blessing in disguise at the time and maybe one of the main reasons I'm still alive
The fentanyl really ramped up and took over after that, to the point that no one was testing positive for heroin and it was almost exclusively fentanyl at that point... which was about a decade ago now
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: wolf8312]
#28602871 - 12/30/23 01:47 AM (29 days, 13 hours ago) |
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Is that because there exists a big demand for it from punters? Or are they cutting other drugs with it, or selling it on to US dealers who will cut their smack/drugs with it?
Whoever it is they are really shitting on the whole drug thing! Talk about killing the market!
It started out as an all people could get thing but after a while it became the only thing strong enough for addicts, we give them dilaudid here which they just sell and buy fentanyl.
I thought when fent started here, around 2018 that they would all OD and the market would disappear but the numbers have grown every year, it's crazy how they were able to find so many people willing to try it. Mostly young people too all the old junkies are dead I guess. I don't have stats but I would venture there have never been more addicts in north america than there are today. It used to cost big bucks for heroin now you can buy fent with lunch money.
This is pretty much impossible to stop now, I was reading up on synthesis and while I'm no chemist it seems the ingredients you need have many legitimate uses and I don't think controlling precursors will help. Even if it wasn't Mexican cartels someone else would make it. I predict in next few years society just goes back to what it knows, prohibition and mass incarceration, even investing in treatment is a hard sell, it's expensive and has high relapse rate.
We are already dialling back decrim in Canada because of all the public use. Passed out on the sidewalk addicts are bad for anyone hoping for drug freedom. You go to the park with your kids and people are shooting up, it's impossible to support for me. I would be ok if it was all in one place, but step out of that zone and it's right to jail. There needs to be controls on it. I'm okay with no possession busts but people smoking foil on public transit should be shot.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal] 1
#28602877 - 12/30/23 01:58 AM (29 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Patlal said: Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm? Or is this just a TV thing?
Usually I was pretty good about getting the needle out on the first shot. If you already have a good nod going though and decide to bump it up with a shot sometimes you can forget to pull the needle out. It's happened to me before and I've pulled needles out of arms that were still hanging for my homies who were on a good nod or had to just help hit them because theyd keep nodding out while trying to find a vein. It wouldn't happen often but ya it does happen especially with really good heroin. Not so much fentanyl though cause lieutenant fentanyl you aint got no legs!!! 
sadly the other reason I'd see it happen was when people fell out
My favorite was always when I go to cook a shot and was already nodding then just nod out completely fall asleep on accident then wake up to find a shot already prepared. It was like finding 20$ in the laundry
Almost 6 years clean off the needle coming up soon
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: feevers] 1
#28603032 - 12/30/23 07:51 AM (29 days, 7 hours ago) |
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I started using while it was still "real" diactylmorphine
the bags getting stronger and the high being shorter in duration, getting withdrawals faster etc..
I remember stamps marked with the purple and blue "dark knight" on them with a picture of batman i think 7 or 8 people overdosed on in my junky circle.
The next day every person i knew was asking their connect for dark knight stamps
Then the dealers start putting shitty dope in stamps labeled dark knight and you look for another good stamp...
Same thing happened with taliban stamps, ak-47, and so on and so forth
Junkys prefer the dope that others have already OD'd on
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
#28603382 - 12/30/23 02:19 PM (29 days, 38 minutes ago) |
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In Pulaski Chicago my ride or die and I used to go "shopping" by taking 40$ or trying to get as much as we could together to at least get multiple bags to increase the chance of finding something decent and then going to each stoop and trying out each bag (they are called blows in chi) and they'd come in all colors and little cute logos on the bag until we found one that had some legs and then we'd go back to that stoop and be looking for that bag and so would everyone but ya exactly like you said, it would change one day and go back to being shitty dope or fent. Then you'd have to wander around Pulaski and find it all over again or head down to conservatory or go explore around Cicero meanwhile trying to stay well off fent. That shit does not last long at all. It'd get annoying and as the years went on less and less real dope was being found at all it was just if a bag had fent in it or didn't or varying degrees of it and then car fent started getting cut with regular fent.
Also same thing In Kensington Philly with stamp packs.
There was no greater feeling then finding a solid plug for a good deal on a bundle of actual stamp packs.
The purple crown royals I'll never forget 
It's literally all fent now though. Even if I wanted to relapse on heroin it wouldn't even be worth it. I had a solid plug in SA even for tar for a long time and he can't even get real tar anymore and for awhile seemed like was straight pigeons blood just coming over the river out of Laredo 
Portland and Seattle used to have some phenomenal tar as well. It Is all blues now those little pressed fent pills that smell like plastic everyone's smoking and idk what they are putting in the meth anymore but have you seen Portland lately?
It really is wild to see how this has progressed.
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stzacrack said: Junkys prefer the dope that others have already OD'd on
This.
This is what killed all of my friends and everyone just ended up settling for fentanyl and couldn't get out of it. I don't even know how I did honestly. I just actually liked real heroin and didn't like fent very much. It was always just such a short rush or killed me and was back to being dope sick. Real heroin felt amazing and would last for hours. The euphoria was unmatched.
when I got my dog it definitely changed things for me but ya I miss the days when you could still find good heroin even cold copping.
Probably the best bag I ever had in my life was from south bend Indianna and that was just from cold copping
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Fent should be dosed in the liquid state, so that potency is even.
RC fent dealers have distributed in nasal spray bottles. then there is no objection, as the dose will be right and the roa is safe, whether they snort, sublingual or spray in a spoon and shoot.
a spray bottle of 500 puffs of 3-MF could keep a user occupied for 100 days and can be made for a dollar. Imagine that object!
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
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Freebase Fentanyl on the streets right now I'm convinced is a biochemical weapon and some form of population control.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
#28603445 - 12/30/23 03:19 PM (28 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Heroin addicts have the best and the worst conspiracy theories, something ive always enjoyed hearing different perspectives on
From kennedy to 911 to aliens to systematic racism ive heard versions of them all
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack] 1
#28603472 - 12/30/23 03:35 PM (28 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Yes but isn't it fun though? I wish it was less of a game of wrong or right and more people just had fun with throwing wild ass conspiracies out there.
My favorite thing traveling was listening to all the wildly different perspectives the wingnuts out there have on our system. It is one of the great joys of life and some solid entertainment if you got fuck all else to do except get high and wait for a train or just hanging out alone for months on end 
I'm always under the notion I could be wrong at any given time about everything i say or believe. They are only just theories for a reason 
Life goes on regardless.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28603649 - 12/30/23 06:05 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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I'm on 50ml methadone daily now, I've not used heroin in like 2 years. I never injected heroin, or any drug. Only smoked it.
If the heroin is not pure/uncut, it is not worth using. I don't advise injecting, either. If it is pure, then there is no reason to inject it. You're just risking your life at that point. It is potent enough when it is pure that you would only need to smoke, not inject.
If it is pure/uncut, then 3 or 4 hits will completely erase any bad thoughts or feelings you have, and only allow you to be the great person that you really are under all of the pain and other crap.
If you are healthy as well, then it will actually improve all of your abilities, physically and mentally. You'll literally be better at conversating, thinking more logically/clearly, and have energy and want to exercise.
There are intelligent ways to use these "horrible" addictive drugs that will only improve your life.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28603652 - 12/30/23 06:09 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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What's the percentage of heroin do you get on the streets? What is it cut with? Can you bring that back to 99% pure without needing to be a chemist in a lab?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28603668 - 12/30/23 06:20 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Did anyone hear about those kids that did fentanyl gummies???
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28603669 - 12/30/23 06:21 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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It is mostly impossible to get pure/uncut heroin here in Dublin, Ireland unless you happen to know a guy.
Literally every dealer you come across will tell you that his heroin is the best shit around, but literally absolutely every single time I have bought from a dealer, it was NEVER as pure/uncut as the stuff that I got from a guy who received literal blocks of uncut heroin.
I have no idea how he was able to convince someone to give him a literal block of uncut heroin, which probably weighed like 5 pounds, but he probably knew him for a while or something. Smoking the shit he had was literally Heaven. Music sounded indescribably amazing. It's literally just Heaven, is how I'd describe it.
Unfortunately, the majority of people are not able to responsibly use this drug, so therefore I am prevented from being able to get it. Just like every good drug I want.
edit: Every bag I've bought from a dealer lasts less than half as long as pure/uncut heroin. I could smoke twice or even three times as much as the pure/uncut and not get anywhere near as high as I got from the pure/uncut. It's shocking how bad dealer's heroin is.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante] 1
#28603681 - 12/30/23 06:30 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Asante said: Fent should be dosed in the liquid state, so that potency is even.
RC fent dealers have distributed in nasal spray bottles. then there is no objection, as the dose will be right and the roa is safe, whether they snort, sublingual or spray in a spoon and shoot.
a spray bottle of 500 puffs of 3-MF could keep a user occupied for 100 days and can be made for a dollar. Imagine that object!
I debate a lot of harm reduction people on twitter, and never, not once have I ever seen any of them mention volumetric dosing as HR measure. Canada builds multi million dollar OD prevention centers when people could be doing this home, the ideal for everyone solution
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
#28603706 - 12/30/23 06:47 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago) |
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stzacrack said:
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Powdered_Toastman said:

Heroin addicts have the best and the worst conspiracy theories, something ive always enjoyed hearing different perspectives on
From kennedy to 911 to aliens to systematic racism ive heard versions of them all
Used to be crackheads
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28604876 - 12/31/23 04:56 PM (27 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Patlal said: What's the percentage of heroin do you get on the streets? What is it cut with? Can you bring that back to 99% pure without needing to be a chemist in a lab?
Depends what type of hdroin and what part of the US
NJ used to have the purest dope because of port of elizabeth/newark, the most pure type 4 heroin in the country for a long time
DEA used to posts stats/pics about 90% + pure from newark
And also, base cocaine can always be coomed to eliminate cut, hence the name "base" cocaine (i think thats what it means), and some junkys put a flame to the spoon before they inject to cook their shit, but in nj we always just poured the powder into a bottle cal, add water, mix, draw back through littlr finger'rolled pinch of cigarette filter, and slam it home
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Powdered_Toastman said: Freebase Fentanyl on the streets right now I'm convinced is a biochemical weapon and some form of population control.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28605190 - 12/31/23 08:57 PM (27 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I just learned about nidazine Stronger then fentanyl
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28605253 - 12/31/23 09:48 PM (27 days, 17 hours ago) |
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There are all sorts of zines and zenes now being sold as "dope" when mixed with fent, benzos or even just on their own. Some are crazy strong with super long or short half lifes, some have truly awful withdrawls much worse than heroin or fentanyl. They've been around for awhile, people used to be able to order huge quantities on the clearnet for dirt cheap... but now they're being sold on the street because it's crazy addictive and profitable
It's basically all just mystery powder in the US now... we used to think shooting heroin was Russian roulette but that was nothing compared to how things are now
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: feevers] 1
#28605825 - 01/01/24 12:58 PM (27 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Yeah dude it’s crazy observing how some incredibly strung out, gnarly addicts are just doing foilies now because they know it’s a death sentence shooting whatever is around these days
Back in my day the only people using foil were newbs now it’s all the pros!
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Psicomb] 3
#28605861 - 01/01/24 01:27 PM (27 days, 1 hour ago) |
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I've been warning the Shroomery since the early 2000s that the fentanyl era was coming, it just had to.
Unfortunately it did
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Asante said in feb 2003: Fentanyl is like 100-200x more potent than Morphine. A 100mcg dose is a tiny speck of dust. You cannot work this homogenously into a powder without massive ODs all over the place.
I know some stuff and strongly believe named procedure to dilute it will cause alot of OD deaths. Besides: why an opioid that only lasts 30min with a respiratory depression that lasts 2 hours. Fentanyls are only manageable by pharmaceutical companies and need to be handled with f#cking MOONSUITS to prevent accidental poisoning. And to think that in 10 years or so that shit's gonna be everywhere  Guess buying street drugs equals buying ODs soon.
1 gram 3-Methylfentanyl equals 3-5kg street heroin... The pusher's wet dream The user's nightmare Crystallized Death.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
#28620712 - 01/14/24 09:16 AM (14 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Is it right (or CT?) that the precursors are being shipped over from China?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: viraldrome]
#28620725 - 01/14/24 09:26 AM (14 days, 5 hours ago) |
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viraldrome said:
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Asante said: Fent should be dosed in the liquid state, so that potency is even.
RC fent dealers have distributed in nasal spray bottles. then there is no objection, as the dose will be right and the roa is safe, whether they snort, sublingual or spray in a spoon and shoot.
a spray bottle of 500 puffs of 3-MF could keep a user occupied for 100 days and can be made for a dollar. Imagine that object!
I debate a lot of harm reduction people on twitter, and never, not once have I ever seen any of them mention volumetric dosing as HR measure. Canada builds multi million dollar OD prevention centers when people could be doing this home, the ideal for everyone solution
Where can I get more information on it?
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: wolf8312]
#28621325 - 01/14/24 05:44 PM (13 days, 21 hours ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Is it right (or CT?) that the precursors are being shipped over from China?
I could search up things that would blow your mind, but i don't want that hosted here, a blemish to the site.
Yes, china makes precursors and even extremely advanced precursors 1 step away from becoming fentanyl.. and the missing reagent and the solvent are the next two offers, and this on the open internet, nothing deep web about it.
"China is great and the Emperor far away"
completely illegal things are sometimes still sold in the open.
We had members of our site buy a kilo of Alprazolam. Yes, a million Xanax.

generally their lives were destroyed because it arrived and they got hopelessly addicted.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
#28621381 - 01/14/24 06:39 PM (13 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Asante said:
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wolf8312 said: Is it right (or CT?) that the precursors are being shipped over from China?
I could search up things that would blow your mind, but i don't want that hosted here, a blemish to the site.
Yes, china makes precursors and even extremely advanced precursors 1 step away from becoming fentanyl.. and the missing reagent and the solvent are the next two offers, and this on the open internet, nothing deep web about it.
"China is great and the Emperor far away"
completely illegal things are sometimes still sold in the open.
We had members of our site buy a kilo of Alprazolam. Yes, a million Xanax.
A million? Wow

generally their lives were destroyed because it arrived and they got hopelessly addicted.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
#28621469 - 01/14/24 08:14 PM (13 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I have seen quite a bit of use about the streets of Eugene, Oregon. Everywhere from the one trying to sell me his red flyer wagon for a fix, heads down on the nod not respond to a call out (stand for a moment looking for breathe) to the well kept man talking about his high tolerance.
Something I read that gave a ‘hug-uh’ like response. Some article was stating of how the Federal Government is so happy Afghanistan has agreed to crack down more on the poppy production. What puzzled me is how why an American government be happy that 80% percent of that Afghan poppy production isn’t getting to Europe. If Europe getting 80% percent of Afghan poppy production, why America Federal government be happy of that?
Looking out into the world with topic of Fentanyl as view point makes for one ugly view.
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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
#28621585 - 01/14/24 10:12 PM (13 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I've nodded out with a needle in me, didn't pass out. Though I was never an addict, I never wanted to to do it that much due to fear of addiction.
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