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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
    #28602194 - 12/29/23 12:01 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago)

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It is an assassin




Sounds like a weapon to me! Where's it manufactured?





Fentanyl is a chemical weapon that's been used.

China used to make it for the American market, but they illegalized it. Nowadays Cartels produce it.




Is that because there exists a big demand for it from punters? Or are they cutting other drugs with it, or selling it on to US dealers who will cut their smack/drugs with it?

Whoever it is they are really shitting on the whole drug thing! Talk about killing the market!


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
    #28602197 - 12/29/23 12:02 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago)

It kills people
The dosage changes


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen]
    #28602243 - 12/29/23 12:35 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago)

When my nephew died of a heroin OD, he was found needle still in his body apparently.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
    #28602249 - 12/29/23 12:43 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago)

I'm so sorry


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28602267 - 12/29/23 12:58 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago)

Fentanyl chemistry is not very complicated, except when you try not to die or get people killed.

A hectare of poppies is worked by a family to produce over 10kg opium which works out to a kg heroin. These are fewer doses than one gram of 3-methylfentanyl, which is 3200x as potent as morphine in its racemic form that can be made in a test tube.
A kilo of that equals 2 tons of street heroin. Thats as much as a poppy producing region produces in a season.

People think in greed, not coffins.

In Latvia, where fent goes round the longest, 3-methylfentanyl is preferred to fentanyl because fentanyl addition is unlivable, requiring about 12 doses in a day, whereas 3-MF is longer acting, requiring 4-5 like heroin, allowing some degree of a sustainable life, unlike the super shortacting fentanyls.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
    #28602282 - 12/29/23 01:08 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago)

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Fentanyl chemistry is not very complicated, except when you try not to die or get people killed.

A hectare of poppies is worked by a family to produce over 10kg opium which works out to a kg heroin. These are fewer doses than one gram of 3-methylfentanyl, which is 3200x as potent as morphine in its racemic form that can be made in a test tube.
A kilo of that equals 2 tons of street heroin. Thats as much as a poppy producing region produces in a season.

People think in greed, not coffins.




Its no wonder there is really no actual heroin on the streets anymore, for people interested in making money and don't care about human lives its a no brainer.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
    #28602298 - 12/29/23 01:19 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago)

I know a handful of people who still use heroin.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Rukus]
    #28602300 - 12/29/23 01:22 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago)

Or when you finally find heroin, its cut with fentanyl so that half the high you need fcks off in the first hour, leaving you with the rug pulled from under you.

Or, there is that veterinary drug in the mix, sedating you more than you get high while it eats at you.

compare the lack of care for the user experience with some xtc manufacturers who color, piperonal-scent and balance a bit of MDA in their XTC for that total thrill.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal]
    #28602305 - 12/29/23 01:27 PM (30 days, 1 hour ago)

The heroin users I know test it for fentanyl
Because they are IV users
Heroin users and coke users are the ones who I give the most fentanyl test strips to.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #28602389 - 12/29/23 03:17 PM (29 days, 23 hours ago)

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Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm?  Or is this just a TV thing?




Ive known more that have been found hours later with a needle in their arm not awake


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
    #28602638 - 12/29/23 07:21 PM (29 days, 19 hours ago)

Fentanyl slowed a lot of IV use. The ones who tell me they have usually say it was in hopes of overdosing.
Which I find tragic.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28602706 - 12/29/23 08:09 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

I don't know about that

In the US fent dope is essentially all that's available outside of certain parts of TX and CA and some other spots in those areas, and even there the fent is creeping into the bags as well as the xylazine and other zines/zenes. The street markets are still strong as ever regardless

It just seems to have put the pedal to the medal on deaths, people who otherwise could've lasted many years on real heroin have long since passed from from fentanyl or the many combinations being sold as "dope". Many of my friends lost that battle since it came around

When I was snorting and shooting real heroin, I never woke up with a needle in my arm. If the shot was that strong it likely would have killed me outright, I always had enough time to take the needle out and settle down... usually I was right back to work or whatever I was up to after a hit

Things are much different these days, which is a large part of why I was actually able to quit for good. Lots of others haven't had enough time to make that choice


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: feevers]
    #28602718 - 12/29/23 08:26 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

I still remember the first time fent hit the street in my area. I was living just north of Boston, and the dealers out of Lawrence (dominican dudes who'd been arrested, extradited and sent back multiple times before hopping the border and coming back up) used to wrap the bags in red balloons when they knew someone had died off that batch

I went to my guy's (middleman for the same folks) house to get the bag and he was barely conscious, nodding off the whole time and it took me like an hour just to buy the bag from him because he was so out of it. It was a red balloon batch, when I got it home I took a small taster sniff to gauge the potency, woke up 2 hours later on the floor with no memory of anything. My whole face felt fuzzy, went right back to it and felt no euphoria and rush but nothing but pure sedation from it... it killed the sickness though which was more than what I was getting from other weaker sources though so we sought it out. I was 18 or 19 at the time

The next week an article came out in our local paper that 14 people in my town OD'd that month from a new batch of heroin laced with fentanyl, luckily it was at a time where I was already half-living much further north in the mountains trying to kick due to a horrible lung infection from shitty dope I was getting off another source. The people I was buying from died and/or moved on so I was left pretty much dry... which was a blessing in disguise at the time and maybe one of the main reasons I'm still alive

The fentanyl really ramped up and took over after that, to the point that no one was testing positive for heroin and it was almost exclusively fentanyl at that point... which was about a decade ago now

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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: wolf8312]
    #28602871 - 12/30/23 01:47 AM (29 days, 13 hours ago)

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Is that because there exists a big demand for it from punters? Or are they cutting other drugs with it, or selling it on to US dealers who will cut their smack/drugs with it?

Whoever it is they are really shitting on the whole drug thing! Talk about killing the market!




It started out as an all people could get thing but after a while it became the only thing strong enough for addicts, we give them dilaudid here which they just sell and buy fentanyl.

I thought when fent started here, around 2018 that they would all OD and the market would disappear but the numbers have grown every year, it's crazy how they were able to find so many people willing to try it. Mostly young people too all the old junkies are dead I guess. I don't have stats but I would venture there have never been more addicts in north america than there are today. It used to cost big bucks for heroin now you can buy fent with lunch money.

This is pretty much impossible to stop now, I was reading up on synthesis and while I'm no chemist it seems the ingredients you need have many legitimate uses and I don't think controlling precursors will help. Even if it wasn't Mexican cartels someone else would make it. I predict in next few years society just goes back to what it knows, prohibition and mass incarceration, even investing in treatment is a hard sell, it's expensive and has high relapse rate.

We are already dialling back decrim in Canada because of all the public use. Passed out on the sidewalk addicts are bad for anyone hoping for drug freedom. You go to the park with your kids and people are shooting up, it's impossible to support for me. I would be ok if it was all in one place, but step out of that zone and it's right to jail. There needs to be controls on it. I'm okay with no possession busts but people smoking foil on public transit should be shot.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #28602877 - 12/30/23 01:58 AM (29 days, 12 hours ago)

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Have you ever injected heroin and passed out only to wake up hours later with the needle still in your arm?  Or is this just a TV thing?





Usually I was pretty good about getting the needle out on the first shot. If you already have a good nod going though and decide to bump it up with a shot sometimes you can forget to pull the needle out. It's happened to me before and I've pulled needles out of arms that were still hanging for my homies who were on a good nod or had to just help hit them because theyd keep nodding out while trying to find a vein. It wouldn't happen often but ya it does happen especially with really good heroin. Not so much fentanyl though cause lieutenant fentanyl you aint got no legs!!! :lol:

sadly the other reason I'd see it happen was when people fell out

My favorite was always when I go to cook a shot and was already nodding then just nod out completely fall asleep on accident then wake up to find a shot already prepared. It was like finding 20$ in the laundry



Almost 6 years clean off the needle coming up soon


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28603032 - 12/30/23 07:51 AM (29 days, 7 hours ago)

I started using while it was still "real" diactylmorphine

the bags getting stronger and the high being shorter in duration, getting withdrawals faster etc..

I remember stamps marked with the purple and blue "dark knight" on them with a picture of batman i think 7 or 8 people overdosed on in my junky circle.

The next day every person i knew was asking their connect for dark knight stamps

Then the dealers start putting shitty dope in stamps labeled dark knight and you look for another good stamp...

Same thing happened with taliban stamps, ak-47, and so on and so forth

Junkys prefer the dope that others have already OD'd on


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: stzacrack]
    #28603382 - 12/30/23 02:19 PM (29 days, 38 minutes ago)

In Pulaski Chicago my ride or die and I used to go "shopping" by taking 40$ or trying to get as much as we could together to at least get multiple bags to increase the chance of finding something decent and then going to each stoop and trying out each bag (they are called blows in chi) and they'd come in all colors and little cute logos on the bag until we found one that had some legs and then we'd go back to that stoop and be looking for that bag and so would everyone but ya exactly like you said, it would change one day and go back to being shitty dope or fent. Then you'd have to wander around Pulaski and find it all over again or head down to conservatory or go explore around Cicero meanwhile trying to stay well off fent. That shit does not last long at all. It'd get annoying and as the years went on less and less real dope was being found at all it was just if a bag had fent in it or didn't or varying degrees of it and then car fent started getting cut with regular fent.

Also same thing In Kensington Philly with stamp packs.

There was no greater feeling then finding a solid plug for a good deal on a bundle of actual stamp packs.

The purple crown royals I'll never forget :heart:



It's literally all fent now though. Even if I wanted to relapse on heroin it wouldn't even be worth it. I had a solid plug in SA even for tar for a long time and he can't even get real tar anymore and for awhile seemed like was straight pigeons blood just coming over the river out of Laredo :homerdrool:


Portland and Seattle used to have some phenomenal tar as well. It Is all blues now those little pressed fent pills that smell like plastic everyone's smoking and idk what they are putting in the meth anymore but have you seen Portland lately?


It really is wild to see how this has progressed.


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Junkys prefer the dope that others have already OD'd on





This.

This is what killed all of my friends and everyone just ended up settling for fentanyl and couldn't get out of it. I don't even know how I did honestly. I just actually liked real heroin and didn't like fent very much. It was always just such a short rush or killed me and was back to being dope sick. Real heroin felt amazing and would last for hours. The euphoria was unmatched.

when I got my dog it definitely changed things for me but ya I miss the days when you could still find good heroin even cold copping.

Probably the best bag I ever had in my life was from south bend Indianna and that was just from cold copping :lol:


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Powdered_Toastman] * 1
    #28603397 - 12/30/23 02:35 PM (29 days, 21 minutes ago)

Fent should be dosed in the liquid state, so that potency is even.

RC fent dealers have distributed in nasal spray bottles. then there is no objection, as the dose will be right and the roa is safe, whether they snort, sublingual or spray in a spoon and shoot.

a spray bottle of 500 puffs of 3-MF could keep a user occupied for 100 days and can be made for a dollar.
Imagine that object!


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Asante]
    #28603405 - 12/30/23 02:41 PM (29 days, 15 minutes ago)

Freebase Fentanyl on the streets right now I'm convinced is a biochemical weapon and some form of population control.


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Re: A question for heroin addicts. [Re: Powdered_Toastman] * 1
    #28603442 - 12/30/23 03:19 PM (28 days, 23 hours ago)

Thanks war in iraq :guiltyascharged:


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