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Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip.
#28600854 - 12/28/23 12:31 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Hi gang.
I wanted to share a messed up, scary experience I had recently on shrooms. Your comments, and similar experiences are welcome.
Me and my girlfriend took 3.6g of Albino Penis Envy (dry, capped), with food. It was clear that it was a bit too much - it was the first time we took this strain and it was significantly stronger than regular PE we took the week before.
We had a strong buzz with some visuals going a couple hours in, and we were watching a movie. The effects seemed to have plateaued and we were enjoying it overall.
Suddenly, as if a switch was flipped, my body started heating up quickly. It felt like I was put in a microwave. My heart rate increased. It felt like a runaway chemical reaction. I told my girlfriend that I felt very hot and weird, ripped off my tshirt and stood up. This only took a few seconds.
Then I felt like the ambient noise started intensifying and I started stuttering, stumbling, and became really stiff, unable to speak, or move my eyes. My girlfriend who was also on shrooms started to panic, and began guiding me towards the bathroom. I could see what was happening, but unable to speak or move on my own. Everything was full of white noise. I was thinking about what if my heart stopped, or I stopped breathing and such things. I felt kind of paralyzed.
My girlfriend pushed me into the walk-in shower - I felt stiff as a board, and turned on the cold water. As soon as I felt the water hit my back and legs, I snapped out of it and said "I'm OK, I'm OK", and it faded away. I was far from fully OK though.
The whole thing took maybe a total of a minute, but for the two or three hours I felt that I needed to stay cold, or the buzzing white noise returned. We turned all the lights off, and I slowly walked back and forth around the room and cold balcony, fighting waves of nausea. I tried to stay positive, chatting a little bit, but whenever I tried to think or remember something it made me feel like I'm falling back towards this weird noise/seizure effect.
Finally, I felt much better. I was still really high, but it didn't feel like I'm going to have another episode.
I'm trying to understand what happened to me, and whether I was in any real danger. I've never had a seizure, or a panic attack before. This was something from that ballpark I think. Maybe it was triggered by strong shrooms and overstimulation from the TV.
I've tried googling this, but it's made difficult by not knowing the name of this effect. All I've found is that most "bad experiences" on shrooms are usually short lived and nobody has died or had serious health problems.
Any comments are appreciated.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: nagual20] 1
#28600868 - 12/28/23 12:47 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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It's all rather consistent with the effects of a strong dose.
That buzzing noise is often reported in association with DMT, it isn't common that people ingest a high enough dose of fungal alkaloids to experience it, but psilocin is just DMT with a hydroxyl group at the 4 position of the molecule, making it orally active. The sound is due to the effects of the alkaloids and so are the heart rate, body temp, nausea and even the feeling of paralysis.
The timing is a little peculiar, but it seems that it took a couple of hours for the alkaloids to be absorbed well and that your results are dose related. I'd expect that a lower dose of the same material would not result in the same unpleasantness.
I like reading about how your GF helped out. I'm glad she was there and that you didn't experience this by yourself.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Nillion]
#28600906 - 12/28/23 01:28 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Sounds more like you had a hot flash related to a sudden blood pressure shift. Psychedelics can rapidly affect blood pressure, but it usually fades quickly and just leaves anxiety.
Of course mushroom paralysis is a regularly spoken of topic around this forum, you may want to do some research into that. Search for "woodlover paralysis" as it's usually seen with mushrooms that grow off of wood substrates.
I also felt like how you felt right before a breakthrough too; like you can't control anything and are paralyzed but can still perceive what is around you as it grows in intensity - which has been followed by full OBE breakthrough's for me.
So yeah, maybe you had woodlover mushroom paralysis, maybe it was just a sudden blood pressure shift, maybe you were about to have a chance at a breakthrough experience. It doesn't sound at all like a seizure though.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Nillion] 1
#28600907 - 12/28/23 01:30 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Thank you so much for the response. Definitely made me feel better.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: nagual20]
#28600908 - 12/28/23 01:30 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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In so far as your anecdotal presentation of how that one particular trip might suggest as having happened (or not)? In terms of similarities, I would have to say I'm well aquainted with what I think you might be remarking upon. Many (of some, but not of most) of my own personal experiences of the heavier-handedly dosed experimentations with said mushroom var, especially, perhaps, even more so if when relating experiences specifically ala 'A.P.E.' certainly may well be considered, in some sense, manner, or way of considering that about it. Then, Sure, yeah, what about it?
In this case, 'it', meaning one's creature as is whilst still tripping intensively so? If so, then, in some cases while intensively tripping on psychedelic mushrooms there may at times be a varying degree or even an airness of 'seizuryeness' about it in general. I think that's quite normal, in fact, sometimes one might even notice something similarly related in its nature while falling asleep, or while waking up midsleep, or in a number of other altogether perfectly natural, ordinarily usually can at times be seen. Generally speaking? More or less healthy, from what I can tell, at least. Which not might mean much considering I'm just some rando-anonymous 'stranger' responding to what's perceived as something you've put out hoping for assurance that you're okay for from. I'm I off the mark, if so, then cool, just ignore away right?
Moreover, however I generally would say the same thing is mostly true of most of any of the psychedelics I've happened to experience upon ~ some more than others, also. So, in terms of what has the potential to occur or happen can and sometimes does while tripping, but usually its something a bit different than what've thought it might be like or not - especially if during the actual presenting itself as such while psychedelicized.
Most, almost all of it; and, specifically in your case (unless you indicate otherwise sometime later on from now) track neatly with being entirely fine, okay, and all of whatever's considered within the sphere of 'naturally occurring reactions, efx, & healthy responses. Regardless of how peculiar the trip...it seems almost like a necessary aspectual feature for the characteristics cherished by many a psychonaut, anyone who wants to learn about themselves - or whatever that's about while still an ongoing matter and all that jazz, which is to say, in part, well...trippy?
Aside from seizureishly seemingly stuff goes, regarding your trip, did you learn anything, something, anything at all whatsoever about yourself or the world in and around you - either while tripping or after while having a looksee at what was or wasn't going on earlier while tripping? i ask, because I'm entertaining some thoughts on some things myself and was curious whether or not you found the experience to be valuable or not and to what degree? Sounds like a mixed bag for you that one go around, but so what? You don't have to share if you don't want to, either way I'm only just 'saying' it.
Anyways, How 'are you doing' with regards to the state, or, how's your condition in? What condition is your condition in once you've found yourself examining yourself whilst already having settled down, naturally relaxed, and - to put it simply - just being-being present with all of one's senses simply being at ease appropriately alert towards whatever's present in this very moment as of today in the actuality of the here and now's presence?
You uhhh okayish? - or - are you finding there' some particular difficulties with said mushroom consumption?
Ie. What's good with what's up with, in, and all around it at the same time, my good Bruddha?
Noticing any seizures at this time, maybe just a little seizurey (Yes, somewhat to some extent, or, No, not at all?) in some way today perhaps? Like how in the way one might describe themselves while still experiencing a fever in the moment as that of "I'm a touch less feevery since taking some Tylenol, thanks for asking. Or, " I'm only slightly more feverish than the other day"... etc?
In short?
For whatever its worth, I think for the time being that you're okay, you're good.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#28600910 - 12/28/23 01:31 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Thank you for your comment!
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: nagual20] 1
#28600963 - 12/28/23 02:15 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago) |
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the shower was a great idea
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28600983 - 12/28/23 02:30 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Thanks for the response!
I'm perfectly fine, post-event, no lingering side effects.
I'm just going to dial down the dose of APE quite a bit, and try again. The main goal of my post was to see if I was in any danger, and whether it was a seizure. Clearly the answer to both is No.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: nagual20]
#28601141 - 12/28/23 04:07 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Good.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28601702 - 12/29/23 12:37 AM (30 days, 7 hours ago) |
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showers can sometimes help with suicidal episodes
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Ferdinando]
#28601753 - 12/29/23 03:03 AM (30 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Ferdinando said: showers can sometimes help with suicidal episodes
Can you expand on that? Hot showers?
I had a panic attack once (during a very nasty hangover combined with cannabis and a psychotic flashback) and the only thing I could think to do was a cold shower for some reason!
It seemed to help as well.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: nagual20]
#28601861 - 12/29/23 06:47 AM (30 days, 1 hour ago) |
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I think of water as a sacred thing that is soothing. I wonder if others feel this way too. I've often taken baths when I was depressed, rather than showers, and still felt relief.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Nillion] 1
#28602015 - 12/29/23 09:32 AM (29 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Jesus, reading this description of ambient white noise and heart rate rising it sounds almost like that time i nearly had a cocaine OD.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28602081 - 12/29/23 10:29 AM (29 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Cold water is amazing. There’s a reason cold plunges are so big now. Look into Wim Hoff it’s really cool stuff. I take cold showers and am going to build a cold plunge for when the winter is over.
Anyways I ate 10grams regular cubes one time and towards the end I kept cramping up. Like my arm would stiffen up but it wasn’t really like a traditional cramp. Muscle tensing but I don’t know it’s weird. Stomach was having a hard time as well. Up to that point everything was fine. I wondered if I was dying and felt strangely okay if I was. This world didn’t make any sense anymore.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: PancyanterA]
#28602141 - 12/29/23 11:32 AM (29 days, 20 hours ago) |
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This past summer I had a friend over and on a relatively low dose of mushrooms he lost consciousness around the bonfire, fell on the ground and we ended up having to take him to the ER. He describes feeling very much the same as you. The doctor chalked it up to a sudden drop in blood pressure. My sober wife drove us in, and took him into the ER while I sat in the hospital parking lot tripping out. Not an ideal night.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28602231 - 12/29/23 12:26 PM (29 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Quote:
elasticaltiger said: Jesus, reading this description of ambient white noise and heart rate rising it sounds almost like that time i nearly had a cocaine OD.
I agree, that's what happens when a bell ringer becomes an "uh oh spaghetti-o". That's why I think OP had that sudden blood pressure shift, something that occurs at a dangerous level during something such as a cocaine OD, but isn't dangerous on mushrooms unless one has some specific medical issue related to the heart.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#28602797 - 12/29/23 11:25 PM (29 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Sounds normal. Over 2 g dried can go in any direction. Any situation could have manifested. Maybe you just got stuck in a thought loop or behavior loop like OCD. It could have been anything like listening to the same song or nobody moving or keeping talking or whatever. Sounds like you got restlessness.
Be safe. Be well.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: Soul Flight]
#28602882 - 12/30/23 02:11 AM (29 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Soul Flight said: Sounds normal. Over 2 g dried can go in any direction. Any situation could have manifested. Maybe you just got stuck in a thought loop or behavior loop like OCD. It could have been anything like listening to the same song or nobody moving or keeping talking or whatever. Sounds like you got restlessness.
Be safe. Be well. 
I'm sorry but to clarify, are you trying to say "it was all in your head and you just need to chill out man" ?
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28602968 - 12/30/23 05:43 AM (29 days, 2 hours ago) |
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elasticaltiger said:
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Soul Flight said: Sounds normal. Over 2 g dried can go in any direction. Any situation could have manifested. Maybe you just got stuck in a thought loop or behavior loop like OCD. It could have been anything like listening to the same song or nobody moving or keeping talking or whatever. Sounds like you got restlessness.
Be safe. Be well. 
I'm sorry but to clarify, are you trying to say "it was all in your head and you just need to chill out man" ?
Yes and no. And with respect to the OP and yourself. No disrespect intended. Just offering another perspective. I apologize. 
I’m sure all his physical sensations were real. Possibly hormonal or neurotransmitter linked. But the “cure” or “treatment” could have been just a “story” or “narrative” which turned into a thought loop or behavior loop. I have experienced enough and talked to enough trippers to know we all can come up with the most complex mental traps and sets of “rules” during a trip. It often feel like we will die or the world will end if we don’t eat a certain food or do a certain ritual.
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Re: Something resembling a seizure. Albino PE trip. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28603393 - 12/30/23 02:32 PM (28 days, 18 hours ago) |
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elasticaltiger said:
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Soul Flight said: Sounds normal. Over 2 g dried can go in any direction. Any situation could have manifested. Maybe you just got stuck in a thought loop or behavior loop like OCD. It could have been anything like listening to the same song or nobody moving or keeping talking or whatever. Sounds like you got restlessness.
Be safe. Be well. 
I'm sorry but to clarify, are you trying to say "it was all in your head and you just need to chill out man" ?
It's also very possible that the physical sensations he felt were just a result of altered perception.
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