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Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics * 1
    #28600450 - 12/28/23 02:36 AM (1 month, 6 hours ago)

I've never been able to sleep while tripping. Not until I'm several hours into the afterglow am I able to drift off.

The other day I took what I thought was going to be an imperceptible microdose. However I must have gotten a hot spot from the tab because I was in the full 4k Vision mode and feeling lightness in my body. I was a bit disappointed because I usually take a siesta in the afternoon and figured I wouldn't be able to.

However when I did get to my car for lunch I was able to actually sleep and not only did I sleep but I hit the hay HARD and woke up a little late to return to work.

So my question for you is, at about what dose on either shrooms or acid do you think is the maximum dose you'd personally be able to take while still being able to sleep?


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28600466 - 12/28/23 03:55 AM (1 month, 4 hours ago)

I can sleep on mushrooms even before or during the peak, but on LSD I generally can't sleep until at least hour 16, depending on dose, mainly due to residual stimulation.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: nooneman]
    #28600479 - 12/28/23 04:17 AM (1 month, 4 hours ago)

Not sure about dosage with mushrooms… but generally I can’t sleep for at least 5-6 hours after I take a dose that would be considered a level one trip.
If I took less than a level one dose I’d probably be able to sleep a couple of hours into it… it depends how tired I am though.

On acid I can’t sleep for about 15-16 hours after I dose half a tab or more. So probably in the range of 30+ug… not sure.

One time I dosed 4 tabs at a festival and during the come up it was so intense I had to retire to my tent. I think while I was laying there I went into some kind of very weird sleep state… It didn’t last too long and was very strange. Felt kind of like I was nodding off and waking back up every 10 seconds or something. I ended up lying there being 100% aware that I was snoring while I was awake, but I still felt like some part of my brain was asleep 😂 I have no idea how to explain it, and that’s only ever happened to me once.

But most days if I’m well rested, even if I take a micro dose of acid it’ll keep me awake for a long time.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: Bardy]
    #28600506 - 12/28/23 05:24 AM (1 month, 3 hours ago)

I sometimes can sleep on stimulants (coke/speed/acid), but last night I was up late reading or typing on decaf.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28600534 - 12/28/23 06:31 AM (1 month, 2 hours ago)

We think of a molecule as having a given effect, but things like psilocin have a range of enzymatic receptors that their shape allows them to interact with and so have a range of effects that can and do occur. Many molecules known as psychedelics are mild stimulants, just as many molecules known as stimulants are mild psychedelics. Thus several molecules known more for their psychedelic effects have enough affinity for TAAR1 to have stimulant and related pressor or catecholiminergic effects. Enzymatic interaction is often complex for molecules, several molecules known for their stimulant effects have slight effect at 5HT2a and so have a mild psychdelic effect. Molecules having a similar shape but which have sedative effects are also known, like pellotine. In some species of Psychotria there are even indolic molecules that can act at opiate receptors.

In other cases molecules known for their psychedelic actions have some affinity for serotonin receptors that can cause contraction of muscular tissue, things like muscle cramps and a tremor are common at higher doses. People often assume that effects they view as positive are due to some psychedelic molecule and that effects they view as negative are due to some undesirable contaminant. This leads to myths like claims that the tufts of peyote cacti and the outer shells of Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds have things like strychnine that cause nausea.

To complicate this further, one can build tolerance for specific effects, someone who has a tolerance in relation to TAAR1 related effects from things like amphetamines will have that tolerance in regard to the stimulant effects of more psychedelic molecules. There is actually a decent amount of literature emerging about the binding affinities of these molecules for different receptor sites and the information is often quite interesting. For those interested in learning more about the systems and enzymes there are several papers that might be of interest and here are a couple of links:

Brain-Specific Overexpression of Trace Amine-Associated Receptor 1 Alters Monoaminergic Neurotransmission and Decreases Sensitivity to Amphetamine

And from: Therapeutic Potential of TAAR1 Agonists in Schizophrenia: Evidence from Preclinical Models and Clinical Studies

Is this image which shows some TAAR1 ligands including psilocin.


I find this particular topic to be rather interesting.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger] * 1
    #28600637 - 12/28/23 08:48 AM (30 days, 23 hours ago)

sleep? can i buy it online or should i grow it myself?


Edited by orphee (12/28/23 08:48 AM)


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: orphee] * 1
    #28600702 - 12/28/23 09:48 AM (30 days, 22 hours ago)

I like to eat mushrooms earlier in the day for this reason. Sometimes I take 2-3 Benadryl before bed as well. If I’m drinking I can eat them a little later and still go to bed. Still 6-8hrs before bed on average.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28600724 - 12/28/23 10:08 AM (30 days, 22 hours ago)

Mushrooms keep me up for hours


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger] * 3
    #28601193 - 12/28/23 04:38 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

While being able to sleep, no acid, and maybe 1 or 2g of shrooms.

I think sleep is generally more achievable on shrooms after say 8 hours from a heroic dose, but with acid it just isn't feasible even from 1 tab.

Unless you jump on the antihistamine train, but that's not guaranteed, and having more than one can lead to the horrendous muscle twitching that is associated, and that'd just mess things up.

I once attended a speech after half a tab from the day before without sleep because it just wouldn't happen. I just sat there with my hands folded and refused to do the simplest 1 minute speech on earth because I was still hazey.

Generally, don't expect to sleep, have the next day free if you're even contemplating psychedelics I'd say.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: sudly] * 2
    #28601462 - 12/28/23 07:37 PM (30 days, 12 hours ago)

If I'm tired I'll sleep on psychedelics, even acid. Usually just melt away for a few hours, wake up feeling better, pick up where I left off.

I did that just earlier today.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28601531 - 12/28/23 08:34 PM (30 days, 12 hours ago)

If I can't sleep and need to. Last resort I take a benadryl.
I like taking it during the day to avoid that. And other reasons.
I can't sleep usually


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: Northerner]
    #28601563 - 12/28/23 08:55 PM (30 days, 11 hours ago)

Quote:

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If I'm tired I'll sleep on psychedelics, even acid. Usually just melt away for a few hours, wake up feeling better, pick up where I left off.

I did that just earlier today.




If you had strong tolerance that might make sense but otherwise it doesn't..

Unless you sleep say 6 hours afterwards.. even then, not with a lot.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: sudly]
    #28601568 - 12/28/23 09:01 PM (30 days, 11 hours ago)

It happens.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: sudly]
    #28601571 - 12/28/23 09:11 PM (30 days, 11 hours ago)

Yeah sleeping on psychedelics is definitely possible, I've done it with mushrooms. I can sleep on stimulants in general, so I suspect with enough effort (or with the right person) it might be possible even on acid, although I've never managed to get to sleep before hour 16 personally.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: nooneman]
    #28601597 - 12/28/23 09:37 PM (30 days, 10 hours ago)

During my big LSD years (between 16 and 20) I lost a lot of sleep and it drove me crazy. My pattern was to dose around 7:30pm. I'd be flying high until around 1 am when it would level off. After that it's that feeling where you're still tripping but you've gotten used to it so it's almost like you're sober. That's when I'd try to go to sleep. It was dumb to think I could get to sleep so soon. I'd spend hours laying in bed worrying about how shitty I'd feel if I didn't get to sleep. I would worry about everything while I laid there. And then I'd plow through the next day feeling like shit because I got no real sleep. It was a bad pattern, but I was stuck tripping at night because it was the only time I had some privacy.

In those days I had no access to mushrooms. It would have been much different. I can do shrooms at 7:30, spend the evening yawning and then enjoy drifting off. I can be totally asleep by 1am -2am.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28601692 - 12/29/23 12:18 AM (30 days, 8 hours ago)

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sudly said:
Quote:

Northerner said:
If I'm tired I'll sleep on psychedelics, even acid. Usually just melt away for a few hours, wake up feeling better, pick up where I left off.

I did that just earlier today.




If you had strong tolerance that might make sense but otherwise it doesn't..

Unless you sleep say 6 hours afterwards.. even then, not with a lot.




I can vouch for Northerner that he is telling the truth here.  I’ve been with him when he’s slept on acid lol.

When you’re tired enough it is totally possible. I used to think it was people talking shit as well but not anymore.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28601709 - 12/29/23 12:50 AM (30 days, 7 hours ago)

I remember this one time I took half a hit of Acid at this art barn near the Oregon coast. Right after the intense peak, I was in my car, and I was so tired from all the driving and events of the day, I took a nap in my driver's seat (dont worry, the car was parked). I fell asleep for maybe half an hour or so. I got some sleep, but it was "light sleep". I was still kinda aware that I was sleeping. Its similar to sleeping on coffee. On Acid, I just cant reach that deep sleep state. Acid for me seems very context-dependent: if Im chilling, i just wanna chill and lay around, but if Im at a party, I just want to party. The stimulating quality of Acid seems to be situationally-dependent.

As for shrooms, I cant remember I time where I could fall asleep. I can rest but actually falling asleep is pretty tough. Shrooms definitely have a similar stimulating quality to Acid, just that it lasts slightly shorter at around 8-9 hrs or so from when I took the shrooms.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28601716 - 12/29/23 01:15 AM (30 days, 7 hours ago)

Sounds similar to my acid sleep. It was very strange being aware that I was sleeping… and snoring for what felt like 5 whole minutes while I was awake haha


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: Bardy]
    #28601723 - 12/29/23 01:44 AM (30 days, 6 hours ago)

I mean if you're tired enough and you take some then fall asleep within an hour or 2 then that isn't enough time for it to take effect and you can fall asleep, but if you're saying someone can take some then fall asleep easy enough after 3-4 hours? Maybe they're really tired or they have quite the tolerance still.


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Re: Your personal experience with sleep and psychedelics [Re: Bardy] * 3
    #28601724 - 12/29/23 01:45 AM (30 days, 6 hours ago)

These replies are wonderful. Thank you everyone who chimed in. It's confirmed a lot of what my subjective experience has been. I before i definitely thought that i would never be able to sleep on acid. My first experience with it (for which i'm working on a reflective trip report) ended in some anxiety when around 4 am I realized I wasn't going to be able to get any meaningful sleep before work the next day.  I texted the friend who gave it to me "hey man i'm freaking out i can't sleep yet and have to be at work in 3 hours" to which he replied "it's a good thing you're a boss at cooking steaks on acid" which cheered me up and gave me confidence.

I was not a boss at cooking steaks on acid though. :lol:


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