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Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd)
    #28599340 - 12/27/23 02:38 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Okay, so I have been mulling this over in my brain.

As the title states, it's about ptsd, of which, I have, along with countless millions of other people

Ptsd sufferers often have illogical reasons or motives behind their emotions

I find LSD to be about the most logical molecule ever. It's like an entropy decreasing molecule for neurons and nerves

However, as my trips with L alone were not giving me benefits from exposure based therapy whilst on a trip, like I had originally thought, I have read some truly horrific case studies involving trauma that is definitely worse than mine, and they had full ptsd remission after lsd+mdma combination. I know that in order to receive the maximum desired benefits, I also need a psychotherapist.

I think I should try this combo out once, just to test the waters, see if it does help me take a legitimate two steps forward, report back with my findings, and then the next step would be to see a psychotherapist that would be willing to talk through my feelings, thoughts, etc., for twelve hours. Or, when I am ready to go see one again (they never did any work for me before,  but i was much less open minded back then. If I could at least book them for five hours, I could take mdma and then have a lengthy conversation through my issues and problems. However, I always found LSD to be able to show me my thoughts from a different perspective. But booking one of these therapists is incredibly expensive because its not strictly speaking, legal.

However, it does seem to be totally worth it, even if I have to pay $5,000 or so, because this has also been my main psychology study since I was in my early 20s in college. Wrote a really good article about mdma and ptsd remission that had incredibly high efficacy rate. 61% or something of all total participants. MAPS of course, conducted this study, and I really do think we can cure ptsd with some psychedelics and psychotherapy. I don't see why we can't get this 61% figure, to 100%, even if it takes many sessions.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: skOsH]
    #28599389 - 12/27/23 04:22 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

No idea about whether it’s good for ptsd or not… but it’s a fucking good combo for sure. Tried it for the first time this year and it’s just heaven on Earth.

Definitely worth a go.

Me and a mate took a dose of MDMA an hour after taking the acid, then another dose about half way through the acid trip.

Good to have some 5htp on hand for the following days to fight off any post MDMA blues.
Harmalas work really well for post MDMA blues as well.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: Bardy]
    #28599438 - 12/27/23 06:33 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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No idea about whether it’s good for ptsd or not… but it’s a fucking good combo for sure. Tried it for the first time this year and it’s just heaven on Earth.

Definitely worth a go.

Me and a mate took a dose of MDMA an hour after taking the acid, then another dose about half way through the acid trip.

Good to have some 5htp on hand for the following days to fight off any post MDMA blues.
Harmalas work really well for post MDMA blues as well.




Good on ya about the supplements, I knew of 5-htp and I thought I had some, turns out I don't.

I had no idea harmalas also worked

Would you follow the same dosing schedule if you could do it again? Like, is it best to take the mdma one hour after dropping L and redose halfway through, or should I take it during peak plateau effects and redose once?


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: skOsH]
    #28599458 - 12/27/23 06:58 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I would look into ketamine too as it's more relaxing


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: epilectric]
    #28599856 - 12/27/23 01:56 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Try the MDMA by itself first. Don’t underestimate the power of what that molecule can do on its own within a therapeutic setting. You can go quite deep, experience not just heart-opening but all chakras opening, telepathy, profound insights, etc. A great thing about mdma is that it leaves the ego intact, allowing for greater ease of integrating insights and healings.

The combo can be quite overwhelming for some, especially for those who are generally more sensitive to drugs such as myself. I’m any case, it’s always better to get well acquainted with a molecule on its own before combing them, so you know the lay of the land.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) (moved) [Re: skOsH]
    #28600129 - 12/27/23 05:54 PM (1 month, 21 hours ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

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More of a Psychedelic Medicine topic. Also, discussion of MDMA isnt allowed in TPE.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: skOsH]
    #28600160 - 12/27/23 06:32 PM (1 month, 21 hours ago)

Yeah just don’t take the 5htp and harmalas at the same time. It’s very possible that’s bad for you because of the excess serotonin.

Harmalas last for up to 6-7 hours and 5htp usually only lasts a few hours, so you take a couple of small doses of 5htp per day. One morning one night.

Harmalas you can just take mid morning or whatever, preferably not late afternoon because they can be stimulating. Also don’t take any strong doses of caffeine with the harmalas, that can cause a severe case of the jitters and unrest.

I’m not very experienced at all with the MD+LSD combo, but I liked the way we did it. One dose at the start and in the middle makes the MD last your entire acid trip, but there is a lot of excess stimulation after you come down which can feel anxious and restless.

One dose of MD near the peak of the acid would be amazing too and would probably reduce the restlessness at the end of the trip.

Like someone else said though, MDMA just by itself feels very healing and allows for some deep insights into unconditional love for everything. I’d recommend trying it by itself first if you haven’t already.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: Bardy]
    #28600164 - 12/27/23 06:34 PM (1 month, 21 hours ago)

Also, don’t take harmalas until the MDMA has fully cleared your system. Probably wait at least 24 hours before thinking about the harmalas. Serotonin syndrome can kill.

The 5htp can be taken as soon as you come down I think.


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #28600193 - 12/27/23 07:06 PM (1 month, 20 hours ago)

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Try the MDMA by itself first. Don’t underestimate the power of what that molecule can do on its own within a therapeutic setting. You can go quite deep, experience not just heart-opening but all chakras opening, telepathy, profound insights, etc. A great thing about mdma is that it leaves the ego intact, allowing for greater ease of integrating insights and healings.

The combo can be quite overwhelming for some, especially for those who are generally more sensitive to drugs such as myself. I’m any case, it’s always better to get well acquainted with a molecule on its own before combing them, so you know the lay of the land.




I definitely know what to expect from LSD. It's predictable but still fun, and adding Molly to the mix, would probably make for some mild to moderate therapy if you can trip sit youself. I can just picture it now, the hallucinations that make my plants in my room look trippy, but they also take on a friendly form, which would drastically lower my anxiety


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Re: Would LSD + MDMA actually be maximum benefit? (ptsd) [Re: skOsH]
    #28600254 - 12/27/23 08:03 PM (1 month, 19 hours ago)

When the MDMA hits you feel your body go all warm and everything feels so inviting. It’s absolutely magical.


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