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Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed
    #28590475 - 12/19/23 08:33 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Found on cow pasture in Bali, Indonesia. Grows on old cow dung or around it, in the grass of well manured soil.

Gills are varying from grey to very dark grey depending on age.

Caps are white, bruising blue, occasionally covered in black spores from the neighbour shrooms, 1-3 cm in diameter.

Spore print color is black.

The whole shrooms bruise blue.

I think these are pan cans. Please help me IDing so that I can be totally sure it is what I think it is.













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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Slamet]
    #28590484 - 12/19/23 08:38 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Panaeolus cyanescens (or tropicalis) :thumbup: :mushroom2:
Welcome to the shroomery!
Have a nice trip :cool:


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28590530 - 12/19/23 09:15 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Thank you for your fast response! I have found quite a lot of these lately, and I am wondering if it would be safe to ingest them... I didn't make spore prints from all the caps I picked, also I haven't tried if all are bruising blue. I am a newbie in hunting and this is the first ever species that I am starting to be a bit more confident about.

I am wondering if there any poisonous lookalikes of pan cyans that share the same habitat and physical features?


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Slamet]
    #28590561 - 12/19/23 09:34 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

These are really looking like blue meanies. Do they show any blue bruising?
Also, I’m in the same area as you, could you please share where did you find these? I try to have a decent mushroom for cloning, asked local girl and she brought to me frozen one… Was on Gili too, but mushrooms there weren’t old enough, really small. Would really be grateful for that info 🙏


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Slamet]
    #28590564 - 12/19/23 09:35 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Nope, no dangerous look-alikes. The only look-alike is panaeolus antillarum which is non-active. Some cyans won't bruise blue instantly so bring all your mushroom home and discard the ones that hadn't bruised blue. They're antillarums. But they're not as common as cyans where you are.
Try to keep bruising at a minimum, though, as that will make them loose potency. Don't ba g them about :laugh:


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Shmeba]
    #28590628 - 12/19/23 10:38 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Hi, as I've read in the rules, sharing exact location here in the thread is not allowed. Actually whenever it rains for a couple of days, you just have to look for them on cow pastures, I'd say 70% that you will find them. If not, keep looking on another cow pastures. This is how I have found then too.

Would cloning be easier then start from spores anyways?


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28590639 - 12/19/23 10:55 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

So the worst thing that could happen is to consume some pan antillarums? (which are absolutely harmless, afaik)

What do you mean by don't ba g them about?


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Slamet]
    #28590662 - 12/19/23 11:22 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

You can share location on pm, no problem. But as you said, just go anywhere where there's cows, buffaloes or elephants after some rain and you'll find them. And probably some cubensis as well.
Panaeolus antillarum are completely harmless. There are no harmful panaeoli. But you don't want them in your collection.
When I say "don't bang them about", I mean that you should handle them very carefully. Don't put them in a box and shake them, don't throw the bag around, don't drive like a maniac on shitty roads with your motorbike on your way home, etc. :laugh:
They turn blue very fast, you'd want to avoid that.


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28591092 - 12/20/23 09:34 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Nice copes,  Enjoy !  :mushroom2:


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Shmeba]
    #28599273 - 12/26/23 11:28 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

You still need help with finding them? I sent a PM


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Slamet]
    #28599286 - 12/26/23 11:59 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

He's probably found them by now. Cows and elephants are not exactly hard to find 😁


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Re: Panaeolus Bali Indonesia ID help needed [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28599314 - 12/27/23 01:05 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Yeah, I guess so. However there were no rain since then... No shrooms grow here now.


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