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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28527300 - 11/02/23 11:46 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Thats how I feel. But this confused me.
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Northerner said:
It's how it works here in Australia, except they have found ways to rig it so you're pretty much voting for one of two corrupt motherfuckers anyways.




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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28527331 - 11/03/23 12:38 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Oh that's because labor and liberal are economically pretty similiar with preferencial treatment to more well off individuals. So even if you vote greens or another party, they generally only have around 10% of the vote, and therefore your vote still counts and runs its way down to the party with the most support.

The system of governence is still munted, corrupt the whole lot y'know, but the actual system of voting is decent, especially when compared to the single vote.

You can have greens as one and labor as 2 etc. then if the greens overall vote is below a winable majority, your vote goes towards labor. And although liberal and labor are both hunks of shit in the direction of supporting the less fortunate, at least the labor party likes to show a facade of relatableness with simple cultural stances like acceptance of gay marriage, because gays will pay for consumables too, and ostrasising that portion of the electorate doesn't help big business in the long run, and all any of our politicians really seem to care about are the whims of big business.

Like a real estate agent answering to the landlord, but having no real obligation to communicate with the tenant outside of critical repairs.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly] * 2
    #28527397 - 11/03/23 02:59 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

^ so basically it’s as two hip hop guys wrote back in 2004-2005

“This land is either run
By labour or liberal,
But don’t get it twisted
They’re the same as the criminals.”

(“The sea is rising” by bliss n eso for the internationals here)

I have a lifelong friend in Sydney who has also been a lifelong labour/lesser greens voter.

How he feels right now: used and betrayed and newly faithless in any incarnation of a government as they are, when it comes to geopolitics and the merest notion of integrity.  Can’t say I disagree.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Milleresque]
    #28598190 - 12/26/23 01:07 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Maybe The Australian Citizen's Party is the answer!

They have a lot of decent policies and they don't take any corporate money. I met and talked to one of their organisers earlier this year, they're good people.

https://citizensparty.org.au/


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28598209 - 12/26/23 02:18 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

They've made a lot of campaign money, but haven't gotten any relative sum of votes.

Must be doing something right to make the money, and something wrong to have no success. :shrug:

Aussie women scaring the western propaganda machine, the crown is the enemy of the people, touching titles, ill have to see on the context in time.

At 9:00 in the interview the lady is asked what she saw in the broader area of China, she said she thought she'd see millions of unhappy faces and a kind of gulag like area, but it wasn't and was more like Woodstock.

That's cringeworthy material, China is a modernised country, Beijing is a fantastic city, plenty of Chinese cities are very well developed in all respects, some areas a less wealthy, but all countries have economic diversity or disparity. The comments undermine the intelligence of the viewers in my opinion.

On the crown issue, sure, I don't know much about the mcbride case but fuck king sausage fingers, our allegiance should be to the Australian people, not him.

The crown prosecutor basically said the soldier served the king, not public interest and that's fucking tyrannical imo.
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To interpret ‘serve’ to mean to act in the public interest, is to turn on its head service to king or queen. It was not for the soldier to do whatever he thinks is right. 

Nowhere in the oath [of allegiance] does it refer to public interest or that a soldier must act in the public interest. If it were, Parliament would have said so.





What id really like to see is what other parties takes on this issue are, with the recent unraveling of the case, I'd be interested in other party views.

The biggest policy suggestion I saw was for a train line to connect the coal and iron from Queensland to western Australia. I recently heard Australia is making more cargo ships, not sure how a train line beats those, but not sure if any of them would be used for transporting coal or iron that way anyway.

Seems like a sensationalist party on the surface to me. The west propaganda lady thing, wtf? The crown the enemy of the people, could be better title imo, but it seems obvious more people might like a republic, have heard more mentions on the radio recently and this is why.

I don't think subsidising coal and iron companies sells as well with public support when compared to things that economically benefit the public. Those corporations could afford to do it themselves, and the public doesn't see returns from mining profits. Sure build a train line, just use the mining profits to do it, not taxpayer funds, what argument is there that they couldn't afford it? They're the wealthiest things in Australia outside the government.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28598222 - 12/26/23 02:43 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

The media gives them absolutely zero air time.

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Under the Crown, corporations, banks and other lackeys of the City of London and Wall Street have been profiting from the exploitation of Australia’s natural resources, privatisation of our essential services, deregulation of our industries and through their hold over the political process to protect their speculation within our banks.

The Citizens Party is inspired by the policies of old Labor, and its leaders such as John Curtin and Ben Chifley who believed in the “common good” or raising the living standards of all people through nation-building infrastructure, education, free health care, and scientific and cultural progress.




The ACP aren't the worst political party out there :shrug:


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28598227 - 12/26/23 02:48 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Well fuck, if it's between Bob Katta, One nation and the Australian citizens party, Pauline wants to legalise weed?

Other than a train line and a republic, what's the acp offering? Destroy the central bank? I don't know the details but it's ringing milei vibes and Argentina to me.

The 'common good' is a dandy idea, but talk it talk, what are the proposals?

As Hillary Clinton likes to say, "I'm for good things, and against bad things".


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28598237 - 12/26/23 03:13 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I think she said decriminalise weed? Doesn't worry me though I've got a medical prescription :super: only problem is my new job does random swabs. Any place with a government contract/s over $100 million it's a requirement.

Destroy the Central Bank? More like revamping the Central bank to how the old Commonwealth Bank operated, before Keating and Howard both took turns deregulating the banking system.
They want to see return to a community bank to fund infrastructure projects.

Policies

I know the media pay out on Bob Katter and only play his bat shit crazy comments but i've actually heard him give some decent speeches... true! :lol:

This isn't one of them below :lol:



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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28598254 - 12/26/23 04:05 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Doesn't mention interest rates or what happens to the profits of such a bank, is it privatised or what? Debanking lawful businesses? Don't know what that means either.

I'd presume access to cash could be done in ways other than a conglomerate of the big 4, plus I don't think it addressed how the banks are paid out or bought out by the government to do so.

An infrastructure bank for the government to borrow money from? How about using public funds to fund infrastructure.. 

A development bank for manufacturing and agriculture? If this bank is providing advice to the government, is it privatised?

So far it's a central bank, an infrastructure bank and a development bank, hard to see how buying out the banks and making new banks will make a different that helps the common folk. Questionable lack of details imo.

I'm for expanding public healthcare resources, emphasis on the public. Also not sure on the lines that say the government resorted to extreme restriction, if that's referring to lockdowns or not, because for the most part I agree some had to be implemented for long term public health. I don't think this clarifies support for private or public healthcare expansions.

I don't understand the conversion and write off provision of the banking act to have an opinion.

I liked glass steagle but there's not enough detail of the acp 'modelled' proposal to tell the difference. What alterations there are.

Give regulators teeth, sure, that's one thing I agree with outright. Whether the acp is actually proposing it or just looking to make surface level changes for a pr facade is questionable.

Sometimes the fines white collar crimes receive are less than the profit the crimes produce, that's something worth addressing, but I'm not convinced the acp is necessarily addressing it, the focus seems rather on individual compensation.

No war with China is an easy thing to say, but the statement doesn't address any nuance or specifics. Unless they're claiming the primeminister will declare war on China, I wasn't aware the priminister had unilateral power to do so. If true, sure, make it a parliament thing rather than one person. I think the media does a lot of China sensationalism, but apparently China recently let some more beef trade go through so that's something there.

If Australian independence from foreign policy includes cutting the aukus deal I'm for it, otherwise it sounds like posturing to me.

Apparently the courts have sided with the statement that indefinite detention is illegal.
Party views on that are muddy, not a lot of detail from the acp here.

Claims for moratoriums on evictions to protect from a housing bubble popping are complicated. Can't say I agree or disagree.

The development bank is reiterated with what sounds like subsidies to farmers and renewed access to water resources, but that doesn't address how agriculture uses a lot of water and can often pollute waterways. I don't hear environmental protections, just 'sensible land clearing', whatever that means.

Where are we going to put a nuclear power plant? They need a lot of water and most of our population lives along the coast, which coastal town will support having a nuclear power plant near it? Location, location, location.

I'd be fine with a tax on financial speculation. Not sure what other parties stances are here though. More, less, none? It'll vary


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28598295 - 12/26/23 06:22 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Where does it say they want to “buy out all the banks”? That’s not what they’re proposing.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28598304 - 12/26/23 06:41 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

How does one break the 4 banks?


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28599061 - 12/26/23 08:33 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I don’t think they necessarily want to dismantle the big 4 banks, it’s more about restoring what we once had, a national bank backed by the government.
If people want to chase higher returns with a private bank speculating with their money, as an *unsecured creditor, where the focus is on making a profit for shareholders, they still can.
What they’d like to see is this type of bank operating as a real Post Office Bank to ensure small towns have access to banking services as branch closures are having a major impact on the everyday banking needs of people in small towns, like Coober Pedy for example

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102002598

This is a bit more on the idea




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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28599390 - 12/27/23 04:22 AM (1 month, 16 hours ago)

Poor Albo, apparently he got savaged on Facebook,... again




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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28599854 - 12/27/23 01:56 PM (1 month, 6 hours ago)

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I don’t think they necessarily want to dismantle the big 4 banks, it’s more about restoring what we once had, a national bank backed by the government.
If people want to chase higher returns with a private bank speculating with their money, as an *unsecured creditor, where the focus is on making a profit for shareholders, they still can.
What they’d like to see is this type of bank operating as a real Post Office Bank to ensure small towns have access to banking services as branch closures are having a major impact on the everyday banking needs of people in small towns, like Coober Pedy for example

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102002598

This is a bit more on the idea




Edit; *unsecured




So breaking the big 4 is just a saying..?

What you're saying sounds more like expanding rural bank access, not BREAKING The big 4.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28600334 - 12/27/23 10:05 PM (30 days, 22 hours ago)

Break their stranglehold, fucking work it out. If they interest you great, if they don't, whatever.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28600435 - 12/28/23 02:03 AM (30 days, 18 hours ago)

Really selling your support :thumbup:


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28634957 - 01/25/24 08:27 PM (2 days, 21 minutes ago)

I like what I've heard from Jim Chalmers so far.

@6:00


I still don't like the party as a whole, but on this case specifically, I like the dialogue, direction and outcome.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly]
    #28635069 - 01/25/24 10:16 PM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

Happy straya day!


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: Milleresque]
    #28635071 - 01/25/24 10:19 PM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

=)

I tend not to focus on days like Halloween or Australia day, I've only thought about it now after reading you bring it up, I'm fine with Australia day, but Australia history day is alright to acknowledge every day of the week. That's all it takes imo.


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Re: The Australian RNC Discussion [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28635111 - 01/25/24 11:39 PM (1 day, 21 hours ago)



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