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Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' * 1
    #28591065 - 12/20/23 09:16 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed'
December 20, 2023 - The Standard

Advocates believe 'control and legalisation can do better than mere repression'

Switzerland's capital is looking at a pilot scheme to legalise the sale of cocaine for recreational use.

Bern's parliament has supported the idea, but it would still need to overcome opposition from the city government and would also require a change in national law.

Switzerland has one of the highest levels of cocaine use in Europe, according to the levels of illicit drugs and their metabolites measured in waste water, with Zurich, Basel and Geneva all featuring in the top 10 cities in Europe.

Drugs policy around the world is evolving, with the US state of Oregon, for example, decriminalising possession of small amounts of cocaine in 2021, in favour of drug treatment.

Many European countries, including Spain, Italy and Portugal, no longer have prison sentences for possession of drugs including cocaine, although nowhere has gone as far as the proposal under discussion in Bern.

Switzerland is re-examining its stance on the drug after some politicians and experts criticised complete bans as ineffective. The proposal - currently in its early stages - follows trials now under way to permit the legal sale of cannabis.

Eva Chen, a member of the Bern council from the Alternative Left Party, who co-sponsored the proposal, said: "The war on drugs has failed, and we have to look at new ideas.

"Control and legalisation can do better than mere repression."

Frank Zobel, deputy director at Addiction Switzerland, said: "We have a lot of cocaine in Switzerland right now, at the cheapest prices and the highest quality we have ever seen.

"You can get a dose of cocaine for about 10 francs these days, not much more than the price for a beer."

Bern's education, social affairs and sport directorate is preparing a report on a possible cocaine trial, although this does not mean it will definitely take place.

"Cocaine can be life-threatening for both first-time and long-term users. The consequences of an overdose, but also individual intolerance to even the smallest amounts, can lead to death," the Bern government said.

Ms Chen said it was too early to say how a pilot scheme would develop, including where the drug would be sold or how it would be sourced.

"We are still far away from potential legalisation, but we should look at new approaches," Ms Chen said, adding, "that is why we are calling for a scientifically supervised pilot scheme trial."

For a trial to take place, parliament would have to amend the law banning the recreational use of the drug.

The decision could come in a matter of years, or earlier if the current cannabis schemes - which see the drug on sale at pharmacies - show successful results, political experts said.

Any legalisation would be accompanied by quality controls and information campaigns with the approach also reducing a lucrative criminal market, Ms Chen argues.

Experts are divided, with even those in favour of the trial concerned about the potential dangers.

Group leader of the University of Zurich's Centre for Psychiatric Research Boris Quednow said: "Cocaine is one of the most strongly addictive substances known."

He said its risks were in a completely different league to alcohol or cannabis, citing links to heart damage, strokes, depression and anxiety.

On the other hand, Thilo Beck, from the Arud Zentrum for Addiction Medicine, the largest centre for addiction medicine in Switzerland, said it was time for a more "grown-up" policy towards the drug.

"Cocaine isn't healthy - but the reality is that people use it," said Mr Beck.

He added: "We can't change that, so we should try to ensure people use it in the safest, least damaging way."


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28591339 - 12/20/23 12:33 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I totally agree with this.  People can call me crazy, but I'd way rather buy cocaine from a government store made by Merck even if they need my SSN and ID every time.  The difference between just cocaine and "pure brick cocaine" is night and day on your body, mind, and soul.

I mean I still do too much cocaine after my previous use levels, I do a few lines once a month or so now, but man if that could be pharma pure *drool*.


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28591754 - 12/20/23 06:08 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Decriminalization is a no brainer, maintenance programs as well(especially where safer substitutes exist, a challenge for moreish dopaminergic substances), but I don't think I'm ok with highly moreish addictive, cardiotoxic, or neurotoxic drugs being sold legally for recreational use.

Especially ones where you aren't likely to experience side effects that make ingesting more a challenge before you start bumping up against a lethal threshold(such as with kratom and alcohol). Or whose chronic use makes it hard to be a functioning member of society.

Even if you limit the amount or frequency of sale it won't matter, addicts will meet their quota then hit up their dealer. The black market will still exist and you'll create a whole new industry of people reselling their doses, if you don't you are going to have even more of a public health crisis on your hands. Except now it will be facilitated by the state and private corporations profiting off it.


Edited by Holybullshit (12/20/23 06:32 PM)


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28591791 - 12/20/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:


I mean I still do too much cocaine after my previous use levels, I do a few lines once a month or so now, but man if that could be pharma pure *drool*.





Just do acetone washes to the cocaine and you’ll have pure product.


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: veggie]
    #28592226 - 12/21/23 03:53 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Cocaine is an idiot, and crack is a fuckin' retard.

Meth is the all-knowing, all-seeing third eternally illuminated (mind)o(Eye)f(God) that exists within all of us, as well as in many of our pipes as we take it's vapor into our lungs, anticipating that high which exceeds all other stimulant highs by far, but not anticipating it so much that we value anything or anyone else in our lives any less, and we also don't even need to try to remind ourselves that we should not value other things/people less because of the meth and how it is able to stimulate more dopamine than all other drugs. I read a scientific chart that had documented the dopamine levels stimulated by the most common illegal drugs. And Heroin did not even come close to Meth.

Cocaine instantly stimulates (like)all, or most, or atleast a very large amount of dopamine all at once... does their government really not understand how bad that is for some people? People are always dying from cocaine, maybe not directly, but it played a major role in their ability to function, think, feel, and react.

I can manage meth. Less than half a gram a week for me is enough. So that only costs 50... and going without it doesn't.... well yeah it kinda fucks with me because I'm in a fuckin' freezer, for no god's sakes, which is why one day I'll have to leave, then once I live where normal weather is, I won't need the methadone, meth, or anything. I'd still voluntarily use meth sometimes though.


Edited by thirtygoats (12/21/23 03:55 AM)


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: veggie]
    #28592275 - 12/21/23 05:15 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Smart


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28592531 - 12/21/23 09:13 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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WhoManBeing said:
Quote:

Typerwritermonky said:


I mean I still do too much cocaine after my previous use levels, I do a few lines once a month or so now, but man if that could be pharma pure *drool*.





Just do acetone washes to the cocaine and you’ll have pure product.




Not quite. There are SEVERAL cuts in common cocaine (as well as every other powdered illicit drug) that can't be removed so simply as with a single-solvent. Most often, washes with several differemt solvents and an Acid-Base extraction is necessary to see noticeable changes in purity.


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: thirtygoats]
    #28592636 - 12/21/23 11:21 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Meth is the all-knowing, all-seeing third eternally illuminated (mind)o(Eye)f(God) that exists within all of us, as well as in many of our pipes as we take it's vapor into our lungs




Don't do(the wrong) drugs kids, and stay in school.


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28592674 - 12/21/23 12:18 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

From the west in the U.S.  They get addicted, yet not bad as heroin/fent.  What is the new one?  Tranq?  Rotting flesh?

Then they will go into stores and steal and into houses and steal and fuck with people and steal and on it goes.  Including the houses and apartments. 

Did coke for awhile and all types of it.  Of course everyone wants is pure.  Bloody noses are great and then getting into meth for a year.  Basically half my nose nostril inside is gone. 

I don't think it is a good idea anymore but free will.  Done some time.  For LSD, controlled substance.  I was treated unfairly and was charged with a felony.  But I digress.  Almost died from heroin when injected drunk and no tolerance and out in seconds.  Was told they called "the doc" and from my friends was put in a bathtub naked in ice and the doc put ice under my balls.  Point being usjt better ways to go about it or shooting up under supervised conditions.  Whole different world now.  Never anti-drug, I use consistently but am not stupid just be careful. 

Some of the worst and best people one will meet in life through my experience are in the drug world I have met in my lifetime.

That one I could get on board with with fent as it is being mixed with it but putting it on Percs how do you make that safe.  Seen so many stories of idiots, and yes, I was once one as well.  But people with great futures ahead of them thinking they are taking a mild pain killer and it kills them.  Is so inane.

BAASTON and PHILLY go fuck yourselves.


Edited by Barnaby (12/21/23 12:29 PM)


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Re: Swiss capital considers legalising cocaine after declaring 'the war on drugs has failed' [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28594115 - 12/22/23 01:35 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
I totally agree with this.  People can call me crazy, but I'd way rather buy cocaine from a government store made by Merck even if they need my SSN and ID every time.  The difference between just cocaine and "pure brick cocaine" is night and day on your body, mind, and soul.

I mean I still do too much cocaine after my previous use levels, I do a few lines once a month or so now, but man if that could be pharma pure *drool*.



Coca leaf powder with bi carb soda (chewed/swirled inside the mouth like they have done for thousnads of years) is the only clean and healthy version of coca.


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