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Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek?
    #28592643 - 12/21/23 11:32 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Even normies without a history degree know that throughout human cultures and civilizations since the sunerians over 7000 years ago alcohol was widely used and consumed by the masses of every culture you can find, but yet we almost hear hardly anything of some cultures drinking shroom tea when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 3
    #28592667 - 12/21/23 12:06 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because they are different drugs with very different effects.

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when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.




What metric are you using?

Quenching thirst, a cold beer or shroom tea.
A drink with mates after work before driving home, an alcoholic drink or shroom tea.
A drink with a feed when out at dinner, alcohol or shroom tea.

I have seen people vomit on themselves after drinking shroom tea. I have seen people freaking out and in a state of total confusing on shroom tea.

I am fairly confident that consuming alcohol in small amounts will not cause liver damage. I do not know what alcohol you have consumed in the past but I have not sampled the piss with acid flavor yet.


In all seriousness, mushrooms are for some people and not for others. It comes down to desired effect, some people like feeling a certain way and others do not.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 7
    #28592683 - 12/21/23 12:26 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because alcohol is a depressant and most people are trying to feel as few real or true feelings as possible and just want to pass out. Shrooms make you feel everything and stay awake usually. Kind of opposite ends of the spectrum.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28592768 - 12/21/23 01:38 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Kiwi89 said:
Because they are different drugs with very different effects.

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alkasike96 said:
when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.




What metric are you using?

Quenching thirst, a cold beer or shroom tea.
A drink with mates after work before driving home, an alcoholic drink or shroom tea.
A drink with a feed when out at dinner, alcohol or shroom tea.

I have seen people vomit on themselves after drinking shroom tea. I have seen people freaking out and in a state of total confusing on shroom tea.

I am fairly confident that consuming alcohol in small amounts will not cause liver damage. I do not know what alcohol you have consumed in the past but I have not sampled the piss with acid flavor yet.


In all seriousness, mushrooms are for some people and not for others. It comes down to desired effect, some people like feeling a certain way and others do not.




You don't want to lemon tek with your meal at the restaurant and stare at your steak breathing? Wtf man.

Jk, you are right. Two widely different things. To me mushrooms are a pretty private thing, my wife is pretty much the only other person I like being around on them. They get me into my own head, alcohol gets me out of it.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Rukus]
    #28592834 - 12/21/23 02:35 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Alcohol is social-- it makes you more social (until it doesn't).

The psychedelic experience is a deeply personal experience.

People need other people to be happy.

Also, alcohol is available everywhere.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96]
    #28593088 - 12/21/23 05:37 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because it's more available, accepted, easier access, more education and prevention on it.
I would have no idea where to buy them and would not risk trying
Alcohol is At the store


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28594041 - 12/22/23 12:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

the alcohol hits fast and burns instantly
smoking weed is like that and snorting coke is like that
Quick sensory solid signals followed by the cognitive and physical effects.

with shroom tea, you need to wait 7 minutes to get the first signals that it is coming on,
but if you add something harsh like alcohol to it or even menthol...

then of course that would be harsh, and not part of the whole mind set cultivation thing.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Changed] * 3
    #28594354 - 12/22/23 05:46 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Psychedelics are as much social and bonding as they are personal. They show everything.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 2
    #28594401 - 12/22/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

There is a parallel reality where shroom tea IS the beverage of choice, whether mid-day at lunch or after a long day with family. In that reality, alcohol is the ordeal poison that takes one into the depths of the underworld (which is actually THIS world), and very few have the courage to undertake that kind of adventure.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96]
    #28594427 - 12/22/23 07:12 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

This is because you can buy it in a store.
So people mistakenly think that it canโ€™t be as harmful as mushrooms. Which are still federally illegal. They are completely wrong. The damage that alcohol can do to you is permanent in most cases. You canโ€™t OD on mushrooms. You can die of alcohol poisoning.
That is why.

Exact same thing with cigarettes. Nicotine is far more toxic for you than DMT. Yet you can buy a pack of those at any gas station or convenience store.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 2
    #28594429 - 12/22/23 07:13 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I think its fear. They are afraid to explore the hidden parts of the mind. Alcohol isnt scary, even at high doses (cause you pass out). However, like you mentioned, alcohol is dangerous in high doses. Shrooms are safe however they can be terrifying at high doses, especially if you don't know what to do in that intense Psychedelic state and panic.

And because of this general fear of psychedelics, the mass population prefers alcohol.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28594431 - 12/22/23 07:15 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit. They will go on rampages because theyโ€™re drunk. Theyโ€™ll go and kill people. Thereโ€™s no arguing that alcohol is less scary to use than mushrooms.

Iโ€™ve never seen somebody attached to a dialysis machine because of psychedelic mushrooms.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28594438 - 12/22/23 07:26 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

sometimes some Irish whisky is nice


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28594563 - 12/22/23 09:38 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit.




I would say that people can do completely insane shit on drugs too. For instance like this here...where you talk about taking your clothes off and freaking out you friend and then running from the police and pretending you can talk out of your asshole.

Some people can handle certain substances and others can not. The delusional carry over from psychedelics to the sober person is unfortunately real.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28594573 - 12/22/23 09:50 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit. They will go on rampages because theyโ€™re drunk. Theyโ€™ll go and kill people. Thereโ€™s no arguing that alcohol is less scary to use than mushrooms.

Iโ€™ve never seen somebody attached to a dialysis machine because of psychedelic mushrooms.




Of course there are a myriad of situations in which mushroom use is simply not conducive or safe.  But I entirely agree with genesis.  Alcohol IS, objectively, a far, far more harmful drug that psilocybin. Hands down. Walk away from the table with the wine glass on it.

At some point we turned away from psychedelic cultures to those with alcohol at their centre for celebration, etc.

I wish that were not the case. I also wish it wasnโ€™t โ€œoh okay mushrooms arenโ€™t great to use at this noisy party filled with strangers babbling about their staid horseshit. Alcohol will make this easier to handleโ€

Iโ€™d just leave the party. Or smoke some and see through the facades and find love in a midnight burrito and a lone sea gull who wants to take it from you.

Alcohol fucks you up. It offers nothing new, grants zero insights you mightnโ€™t have arrived at sober. As someone with a problem with alcohol, who knows it from the first fling to the nocturnal murder of everything true and bright in your characterโ€ฆI would recommend psilocybin over alcohol any dayโ€”whilst keeping the dosage relevant to the situation, etc.

One is poison. Flat out toxic.

The otherโ€ฆ.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 1
    #28594580 - 12/22/23 09:54 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)



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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28594585 - 12/22/23 09:59 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Some people can handle certain substances and others can not. The delusional carry over from psychedelics to the sober person is unfortunately real.




That has nothing to do with the objective facts that alcohol causes you to have liver damage. Ayahuasca does not do any permanent damage.
I accidentally did too much. That doesnโ€™t really have any part in this conversation about the objective fact that alcohol is worse for you than mushrooms, marijuana, or DMT. Yet they are still illegal.

Even tobacco is more harmful for you than any of those three.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28594604 - 12/22/23 10:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I accidentally did too much. That doesnโ€™t really have any part in this conversation about the objective fact that alcohol is worse for you than mushrooms, marijuana, or DMT. Yet they are still illegal.






You where the person that brought up people acting insane while on alcohol, I countered that with the fact that people also act insane on drugs too... with an example of that behavior.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28594613 - 12/22/23 10:41 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

In response to somebody saying that you just go to sleep on alcohol. Context matters.

You brought that up to bring question to my character. Alcohol is objectively worse for you than many illegal drugs.
That point remains unchanged by your smear tactic.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 4
    #28594673 - 12/23/23 01:18 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Yes, alcohol can make you do some insane shit, but you donโ€™t feel very insane while itโ€™s going down.

Psychedelics are the opposite. You do the most mundane shit imaginable and you feel utterly insane.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28594788 - 12/23/23 05:42 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I'm not drinking anymore. I was beginning to take shots again every day a few weeks ago and I made the decision that I don't want to drink ever again. Jameson was my favorite whiskey. It's relatively cheap, tasted good, no migraine. I get horrendous headaches from dark liquor, especially dark rum. Frankly, being sober is nice. Or cannabis. I get amazing weed. So many different highs from different strains of cannabis alone.

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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96]
    #28594807 - 12/23/23 05:58 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I'm the same
I actually prefer being sober with exception to shroom use


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Bardy] * 1
    #28595049 - 12/23/23 08:54 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I always choose psy if setting is suitable...I believe it was choice of mind altering drug at history and more common than today, look at Indians or old cultures there was always signs of psy usage... Today I think main reason is drug war of Nixon and other goverments at 1970's it is rather war of consciousness... I recommend watching Orange Sunshine (2016 director William Kirkley) documentary about great times and hippy culture. That was revolutionary ideas, antimonetary style of living and hippy culture the goverment fears not the drug itself . You can understand why they ban psy and called Timothy Leary as "the most dangerous man in the US" for example...


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Bardy] * 1
    #28595380 - 12/23/23 02:49 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

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Yes, alcohol can make you do some insane shit, but you donโ€™t feel very insane while itโ€™s going down.

Psychedelics are the opposite. You do the most mundane shit imaginable and you feel utterly insane.



Why would you take them if they make you feel utterly insane? I take mushrooms weekly and never feel insane at all. Quite the opposite actually.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: 5280feethigh] * 2
    #28595568 - 12/23/23 05:35 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

If youโ€™ve never felt insane from psychedelics then you either donโ€™t understand how Iโ€™m using the word insane or youโ€™ve never eaten enough shrooms.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Bardy]
    #28595585 - 12/23/23 05:45 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I eat natalensis weekly and usually take between 2 and 4 grams. I take a couple grams of pan bispor once every few weeks. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe you just need more experience with psychedelics to understand that truth isn't Insanity. Or maybe you don't understand what Insanity really means.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Bardy]
    #28595602 - 12/23/23 05:59 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

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If youโ€™ve never felt insane from psychedelics then you either donโ€™t understand how Iโ€™m using the word insane or youโ€™ve never eaten enough shrooms.




For realz. I only really felt that on Cubenis Dealer Shrooms. Scary potent and the trips feel more "manic". Homegrown Cubes FTW :sadyes:


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28595653 - 12/23/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Whats the most amount at one time in mg/kg that you have tried of psilocin/psilocybin


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28595658 - 12/23/23 06:47 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

For Dealer Cubes, around 2.4 grams. For homegrown, thats a bit harder to estimate because I like to just estimate using my eyes and make a nice big fresh fruit smoothie. But for dried, I typically eat around 3.5-4 grams maximum.

I weight about 180 lbs. I'll let you figure out the International math on that one :thumbup:


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #28596337 - 12/24/23 08:44 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

If anyone else is like me on shrooms I feel like a group of people drinking lemon tek would probably be a fairly quiet gathering. Unless there's the one person who won't shut the fuck up ha ha


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28596372 - 12/24/23 09:10 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I have done about 8.9mg/kg before
That was the most I tried. Do the math there is 6mg of psilocybin in each gram of cubensis, plus the 6mg of psilocin arguably. Idk what the dose was, maybe it was something like a total of around idk 12mg/kg factoring in psilocin. I recommend the hopkins dose of 30mg/70kg of psilocybin.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Rukus] * 1
    #28596377 - 12/24/23 09:14 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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If anyone else is like me on shrooms I feel like a group of people drinking lemon tek would probably be a fairly quiet gathering. Unless there's the one person who won't shut the fuck up ha ha



I would not find a group of people a desirable setting


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28596440 - 12/24/23 10:13 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I need a drink


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28596487 - 12/24/23 11:01 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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I have done about 8.9mg/kg before
That was the most I tried. Do the math there is 6mg of psilocybin in each gram of cubensis, plus the 6mg of psilocin arguably. Idk what the dose was, maybe it was something like a total of around idk 12mg/kg factoring in psilocin. I recommend the hopkins dose of 30mg/70kg of psilocybin.




Wov you mean you eated like 50 gr dry cubes or 17 gr pan ? That is real heroic dose, I have blackouts if I go over 13 grams dry cubensis like 150 mg or 1.8 mg/kg.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28596517 - 12/24/23 11:34 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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Do the math there is 6mg of psilocybin in each gram of cubensis, plus the 6mg of psilocin arguably.




Your math seems to off by a substantial amount. concentrations of psilocin and psilocybin are in the range of 0.14โ€“0.42% (wet weight) and 0.37โ€“1.30% (dry weight) in the whole mushroom. Not only that but the levels of psilocin and psilocybin varies in flushes as can be seen here, which shows psilocin levels even being zero in the first and second flushes. 


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Blue_Lux said: I recommend the hopkins dose of 30mg/70kg of psilocybin.




This is just the highest dose that they gave the participants in a 2011 study which also increased anxiety levels in patients.

There have been later studies that show this type of administration style is not optimal, body weight affected subjective effects of psilocybin


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: taskamil]
    #28596540 - 12/24/23 12:00 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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taskamil said:
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Blue_Lux said:
I have done about 8.9mg/kg before
That was the most I tried. Do the math there is 6mg of psilocybin in each gram of cubensis, plus the 6mg of psilocin arguably. Idk what the dose was, maybe it was something like a total of around idk 12mg/kg factoring in psilocin. I recommend the hopkins dose of 30mg/70kg of psilocybin.




Wov you mean you eated like 50 gr dry cubes or 17 gr pan ? That is real heroic dose, I have blackouts if I go over 13 grams dry cubensis like 150 mg or 1.8 mg/kg.




You math is approximately correct if the person weighed 70kg and there was 12mg of active product, 51.92grams. But if we adjust for actual psychoactive product in cubensis it is substantially more product to eat.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596620 - 12/24/23 01:35 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

My decimal was wrongly placed. Sorry about that. I meant .89mg/kg - something like 1.3mg/kg

No no no lmfao

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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596627 - 12/24/23 01:37 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Waahahahaha no not 50 grams


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596633 - 12/24/23 01:40 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

That's slightly embarrassing.  I was multitasking. Yeah probably 1.3mg/kg of psilocin in me at one time, though I can't say for sure. At that point everything is geometrical patterns for me. Nothing is straight, everything becomes curved.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596640 - 12/24/23 01:51 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

As for concentrations of psilocybin content, I use a rule of thumb of .6% psilocybin - .6% psilocin in DRY cubensis. It all depends on body weight. Someone who weighs 250 lbs versus someone who weighs 150 will have to take a significantly higher dose, almost double. That's why I don't find the number of grams someone has taken particularly insightful. Anywho... I don't think I'll be trying a couple ounces of dried cubensis at once any time soon.

:lol:

What study are you looking at about the concentrations of psilocybin and psilocin in cubensis?

Obviously the .6% is going to be lower of psilocin after drying.

Perhaps one can say then that dried cubes are about .9% psilocin after ingesting, no?

I'm not sure, but every time I've ever taken them, the doses are on point. I don't think I trust the idea that they could fluctuate so much so as to be completely ineffective. Every mushroom bruises blue.

Unless ur talking 3rd and 4th flush maybe but even that is dubious.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596651 - 12/24/23 02:05 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

One more thing uhhh because I'm blowing this thread up. If you know of any study where someone has taken a large amount of mushrooms from 1 flush, 2nd, 3rd etc and has extracted all the psilocin and compared it to the weights, let me know. As far as I know, this isn't immediately accessible science. That's why I use the figure .9% psilocin after ingestion.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28596690 - 12/24/23 02:52 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I linked to studies that will answer those questions in my original post about the percentages of psilocybin and psilocin in cubensis. Those links cover your questions and more, they are actually extremely interesting to read.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89] * 1
    #28596710 - 12/24/23 03:10 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I thought the understanding was that body weight was generally not a factor in dosing. Am I mistaken?


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #28596712 - 12/24/23 03:14 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Body weight calculation is crucial to understanding your dose of anything.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28596717 - 12/24/23 03:18 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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Body weight calculation is crucial to understanding your dose of anything.




Not true, there is a link to a study about that in my post as well. You do not even need a study to tell you this about psychedelics though. Take some mushrooms are LSD with people and you can see how people are effected differently by the same amount.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28596736 - 12/24/23 03:37 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I trust Johns Hopkins.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28596824 - 12/24/23 05:09 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Maybe the nature of neurochemistry precludes body weight calculations with dosing. For scientific thoroughness John Hopkins record this data, but that does not mean the data is relevant in terms of the experience. It could be used to prove it's not relevant. Data is just data.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Northerner]
    #28596996 - 12/24/23 07:44 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

:eatsmoke:


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28597285 - 12/25/23 01:42 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

The data that John Hopkins is using is subjective experience, that is they got the participants to fill out a survey. They are talking about subjective data, anecdotal information that comes from opinions.


I would be genuinely surprised if people that are experienced with psychedelics had not seen that people are effected differently by the same dose irrespective of an individuals weight. Jesus even the same does on a different days can be a wildly different experiences.


Edited by Kiwi89 (12/25/23 01:44 AM)


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28601991 - 12/29/23 09:13 AM (29 days, 23 hours ago)

That must mean you think people's responses are meaningless.


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Profundรฆ lฤtissimรฆque vฤ“ritฤtฤ“s amandรฆ sunt, sฤซc ideo necesse est: rฤ“s maxima amanda est; pลtus sit is bene scฤซmus cum nลs id adeล explet, cum altล hฤซc movet ฤซmus: rฤ“s maxima omnis amor.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28602073 - 12/29/23 10:19 AM (29 days, 22 hours ago)

First off, if you go back and actually read the studies that I linked to it is possible that you will understand what these studies are about and what the authors conclude from their findings. Second if you are able to hold the previous posts in memory as you read through this thread you will see that is not what I am implying at all.


Edited by Kiwi89 (12/29/23 10:29 AM)


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28602244 - 12/29/23 12:39 PM (29 days, 19 hours ago)

:allsodisappointed:


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https://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/1730news.htm
๐”ฆ๐”ซ ๐”ซ๐”ฌ๐”ช๐”ฆ๐”ซ๐”ข ๐”Ÿ๐”ฌ๐”ซ๐”ฆ ๐”ญ๐”ข๐”ฐ๐”ฐ๐”ฆ๐”ช๐”ฆ ๐”ช๐”ž๐”ฉ๐”ฌ๐”ฏ๐”ฒ๐”ช ๐”ฃ๐”ฆ๐”ฒ๐”ซ๐”ฑ
May I ask what your bud type is?
โ‚  LXIVโถโดAMOR  โ‚
Profundรฆ lฤtissimรฆque vฤ“ritฤtฤ“s amandรฆ sunt, sฤซc ideo necesse est: rฤ“s maxima amanda est; pลtus sit is bene scฤซmus cum nลs id adeล explet, cum altล hฤซc movet ฤซmus: rฤ“s maxima omnis amor.


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