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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28596640 - 12/24/23 01:51 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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As for concentrations of psilocybin content, I use a rule of thumb of .6% psilocybin - .6% psilocin in DRY cubensis. It all depends on body weight. Someone who weighs 250 lbs versus someone who weighs 150 will have to take a significantly higher dose, almost double. That's why I don't find the number of grams someone has taken particularly insightful. Anywho... I don't think I'll be trying a couple ounces of dried cubensis at once any time soon.

What study are you looking at about the concentrations of psilocybin and psilocin in cubensis?
Obviously the .6% is going to be lower of psilocin after drying.
Perhaps one can say then that dried cubes are about .9% psilocin after ingesting, no?
I'm not sure, but every time I've ever taken them, the doses are on point. I don't think I trust the idea that they could fluctuate so much so as to be completely ineffective. Every mushroom bruises blue.
Unless ur talking 3rd and 4th flush maybe but even that is dubious.
Edited by Blue_Lux (12/24/23 02:03 PM)
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28596651 - 12/24/23 02:05 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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One more thing uhhh because I'm blowing this thread up. If you know of any study where someone has taken a large amount of mushrooms from 1 flush, 2nd, 3rd etc and has extracted all the psilocin and compared it to the weights, let me know. As far as I know, this isn't immediately accessible science. That's why I use the figure .9% psilocin after ingestion.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28596690 - 12/24/23 02:52 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I linked to studies that will answer those questions in my original post about the percentages of psilocybin and psilocin in cubensis. Those links cover your questions and more, they are actually extremely interesting to read.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89] 1
#28596710 - 12/24/23 03:10 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I thought the understanding was that body weight was generally not a factor in dosing. Am I mistaken?
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Ditchdude]
#28596712 - 12/24/23 03:14 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Body weight calculation is crucial to understanding your dose of anything.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28596717 - 12/24/23 03:18 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
Blue_Lux said: Body weight calculation is crucial to understanding your dose of anything.
Not true, there is a link to a study about that in my post as well. You do not even need a study to tell you this about psychedelics though. Take some mushrooms are LSD with people and you can see how people are effected differently by the same amount.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28596736 - 12/24/23 03:37 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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I trust Johns Hopkins.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28596824 - 12/24/23 05:09 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Maybe the nature of neurochemistry precludes body weight calculations with dosing. For scientific thoroughness John Hopkins record this data, but that does not mean the data is relevant in terms of the experience. It could be used to prove it's not relevant. Data is just data.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Northerner]
#28596996 - 12/24/23 07:44 PM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28597285 - 12/25/23 01:42 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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The data that John Hopkins is using is subjective experience, that is they got the participants to fill out a survey. They are talking about subjective data, anecdotal information that comes from opinions.
I would be genuinely surprised if people that are experienced with psychedelics had not seen that people are effected differently by the same dose irrespective of an individuals weight. Jesus even the same does on a different days can be a wildly different experiences.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28601991 - 12/29/23 09:13 AM (29 days, 23 hours ago) |
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That must mean you think people's responses are meaningless.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28602073 - 12/29/23 10:19 AM (29 days, 22 hours ago) |
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First off, if you go back and actually read the studies that I linked to it is possible that you will understand what these studies are about and what the authors conclude from their findings. Second if you are able to hold the previous posts in memory as you read through this thread you will see that is not what I am implying at all.
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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
#28602244 - 12/29/23 12:39 PM (29 days, 19 hours ago) |
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