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Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek?
    #28592643 - 12/21/23 11:32 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Even normies without a history degree know that throughout human cultures and civilizations since the sunerians over 7000 years ago alcohol was widely used and consumed by the masses of every culture you can find, but yet we almost hear hardly anything of some cultures drinking shroom tea when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 3
    #28592667 - 12/21/23 12:06 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because they are different drugs with very different effects.

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when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.




What metric are you using?

Quenching thirst, a cold beer or shroom tea.
A drink with mates after work before driving home, an alcoholic drink or shroom tea.
A drink with a feed when out at dinner, alcohol or shroom tea.

I have seen people vomit on themselves after drinking shroom tea. I have seen people freaking out and in a state of total confusing on shroom tea.

I am fairly confident that consuming alcohol in small amounts will not cause liver damage. I do not know what alcohol you have consumed in the past but I have not sampled the piss with acid flavor yet.


In all seriousness, mushrooms are for some people and not for others. It comes down to desired effect, some people like feeling a certain way and others do not.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 7
    #28592683 - 12/21/23 12:26 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because alcohol is a depressant and most people are trying to feel as few real or true feelings as possible and just want to pass out. Shrooms make you feel everything and stay awake usually. Kind of opposite ends of the spectrum.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28592768 - 12/21/23 01:38 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Because they are different drugs with very different effects.

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alkasike96 said:
when it's a superior drink, it doesn't make you vomit or kill your liver and doesn't taste like piss with acid.




What metric are you using?

Quenching thirst, a cold beer or shroom tea.
A drink with mates after work before driving home, an alcoholic drink or shroom tea.
A drink with a feed when out at dinner, alcohol or shroom tea.

I have seen people vomit on themselves after drinking shroom tea. I have seen people freaking out and in a state of total confusing on shroom tea.

I am fairly confident that consuming alcohol in small amounts will not cause liver damage. I do not know what alcohol you have consumed in the past but I have not sampled the piss with acid flavor yet.


In all seriousness, mushrooms are for some people and not for others. It comes down to desired effect, some people like feeling a certain way and others do not.




You don't want to lemon tek with your meal at the restaurant and stare at your steak breathing? Wtf man.

Jk, you are right. Two widely different things. To me mushrooms are a pretty private thing, my wife is pretty much the only other person I like being around on them. They get me into my own head, alcohol gets me out of it.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Rukus]
    #28592834 - 12/21/23 02:35 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Alcohol is social-- it makes you more social (until it doesn't).

The psychedelic experience is a deeply personal experience.

People need other people to be happy.

Also, alcohol is available everywhere.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96]
    #28593088 - 12/21/23 05:37 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Because it's more available, accepted, easier access, more education and prevention on it.
I would have no idea where to buy them and would not risk trying
Alcohol is At the store


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28594041 - 12/22/23 12:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

the alcohol hits fast and burns instantly
smoking weed is like that and snorting coke is like that
Quick sensory solid signals followed by the cognitive and physical effects.

with shroom tea, you need to wait 7 minutes to get the first signals that it is coming on,
but if you add something harsh like alcohol to it or even menthol...

then of course that would be harsh, and not part of the whole mind set cultivation thing.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Changed] * 3
    #28594354 - 12/22/23 05:46 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Psychedelics are as much social and bonding as they are personal. They show everything.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 2
    #28594401 - 12/22/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

There is a parallel reality where shroom tea IS the beverage of choice, whether mid-day at lunch or after a long day with family. In that reality, alcohol is the ordeal poison that takes one into the depths of the underworld (which is actually THIS world), and very few have the courage to undertake that kind of adventure.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96]
    #28594427 - 12/22/23 07:12 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

This is because you can buy it in a store.
So people mistakenly think that it can’t be as harmful as mushrooms. Which are still federally illegal. They are completely wrong. The damage that alcohol can do to you is permanent in most cases. You can’t OD on mushrooms. You can die of alcohol poisoning.
That is why.

Exact same thing with cigarettes. Nicotine is far more toxic for you than DMT. Yet you can buy a pack of those at any gas station or convenience store.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 2
    #28594429 - 12/22/23 07:13 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I think its fear. They are afraid to explore the hidden parts of the mind. Alcohol isnt scary, even at high doses (cause you pass out). However, like you mentioned, alcohol is dangerous in high doses. Shrooms are safe however they can be terrifying at high doses, especially if you don't know what to do in that intense Psychedelic state and panic.

And because of this general fear of psychedelics, the mass population prefers alcohol.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28594431 - 12/22/23 07:15 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit. They will go on rampages because they’re drunk. They’ll go and kill people. There’s no arguing that alcohol is less scary to use than mushrooms.

I’ve never seen somebody attached to a dialysis machine because of psychedelic mushrooms.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28594438 - 12/22/23 07:26 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

sometimes some Irish whisky is nice


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28594563 - 12/22/23 09:38 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit.




I would say that people can do completely insane shit on drugs too. For instance like this here...where you talk about taking your clothes off and freaking out you friend and then running from the police and pretending you can talk out of your asshole.

Some people can handle certain substances and others can not. The delusional carry over from psychedelics to the sober person is unfortunately real.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
    #28594573 - 12/22/23 09:50 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I completely disagree. Alcohol causes people to do absolutely insane shit. They will go on rampages because they’re drunk. They’ll go and kill people. There’s no arguing that alcohol is less scary to use than mushrooms.

I’ve never seen somebody attached to a dialysis machine because of psychedelic mushrooms.




Of course there are a myriad of situations in which mushroom use is simply not conducive or safe.  But I entirely agree with genesis.  Alcohol IS, objectively, a far, far more harmful drug that psilocybin. Hands down. Walk away from the table with the wine glass on it.

At some point we turned away from psychedelic cultures to those with alcohol at their centre for celebration, etc.

I wish that were not the case. I also wish it wasn’t “oh okay mushrooms aren’t great to use at this noisy party filled with strangers babbling about their staid horseshit. Alcohol will make this easier to handle”

I’d just leave the party. Or smoke some and see through the facades and find love in a midnight burrito and a lone sea gull who wants to take it from you.

Alcohol fucks you up. It offers nothing new, grants zero insights you mightn’t have arrived at sober. As someone with a problem with alcohol, who knows it from the first fling to the nocturnal murder of everything true and bright in your character…I would recommend psilocybin over alcohol any day—whilst keeping the dosage relevant to the situation, etc.

One is poison. Flat out toxic.

The other….


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: alkasike96] * 1
    #28594580 - 12/22/23 09:54 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)



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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28594585 - 12/22/23 09:59 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Some people can handle certain substances and others can not. The delusional carry over from psychedelics to the sober person is unfortunately real.




That has nothing to do with the objective facts that alcohol causes you to have liver damage. Ayahuasca does not do any permanent damage.
I accidentally did too much. That doesn’t really have any part in this conversation about the objective fact that alcohol is worse for you than mushrooms, marijuana, or DMT. Yet they are still illegal.

Even tobacco is more harmful for you than any of those three.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28594604 - 12/22/23 10:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I accidentally did too much. That doesn’t really have any part in this conversation about the objective fact that alcohol is worse for you than mushrooms, marijuana, or DMT. Yet they are still illegal.






You where the person that brought up people acting insane while on alcohol, I countered that with the fact that people also act insane on drugs too... with an example of that behavior.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28594613 - 12/22/23 10:41 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

In response to somebody saying that you just go to sleep on alcohol. Context matters.

You brought that up to bring question to my character. Alcohol is objectively worse for you than many illegal drugs.
That point remains unchanged by your smear tactic.


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Re: Why do you think people prefer alcohol over shroom tea/lemon tek? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 4
    #28594673 - 12/23/23 01:18 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Yes, alcohol can make you do some insane shit, but you don’t feel very insane while it’s going down.

Psychedelics are the opposite. You do the most mundane shit imaginable and you feel utterly insane.


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