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Ozfungi
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4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice
#28582742 - 12/14/23 03:31 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I have had four sessions with shrooms, all at least 3 weeks apart. All sessions with dried were made with lemon tek mixed with sugar free lemon or ginger cordial. The story so far:
- Session 1 - 5g fresh, only result was mild headache
- Session 2 - 1g dried, result was brief closed eye shapes and mild headache
- Session 3 - 1.5g dried resulted in some colorful closed eye patterns, mild nausea/headache.
- Session 4 - 2.5g dried resulted in some intense closed eye shapes, no distortions with eyes open. Mild nausea in the first hour which after 30 or so minutes increased to moderate nausea followed by hours of jaw clenching.
I'm really bummed by this and I don't know what to do next. Do I drop the dose to avoid the jaw clenching (which I was still intermittently getting the next day) and nausea or do I go for a higher dose and risk worse/longer jaw clenching and nausea?
I have to admit I wasn't aware of the jaw clenching issue (which I now know can also be an issue, especially with MDMA). I was more prepared for a good/bad trip but not no trip. BTW, the shrooms were Blue Meanies.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi]
#28582765 - 12/14/23 03:57 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Did you see this thread?
Any of that ring true mate?
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Northerner]
#28582775 - 12/14/23 04:05 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reply. The only part that may apply to me was the spore variation. The shrooms were harvested at the right time, were then dehydrated, ground, vacuum packed and stored in the refrigerator.
The issue for me is that I don't know if I want to keep going because of the jaw clenching and nausea. I have some Koh Samui SS that I can try next if have another go.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi]
#28582787 - 12/14/23 04:16 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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What do you mean by fails?
I can only suggest that you relax more. You may get more out of taking mushrooms if you stopped wanting something in particular to happen. For me as time has gone by I seem to be more perceptible to the changes the mushrooms and LSD induce. I do not want anything in particular from taking psychedelics but I do often apply some critical thinking to the experience. Mostly though I want to enjoy the altered state and let my brain change gears as it wants.
I guess it is possible that if the mushrooms that you are taking are all from the same batch that they are not particularly strong. There can be no real harm in taking a larger dose.
The only jaw problems I have ever had from mushrooms is laughing to much and my face and ribs aching the next day.
Relax expect less and do something different and interesting while you are high.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Kiwi89]
#28582791 - 12/14/23 04:21 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reply kiwi89. What I meant by fails was that I did not feel any altered state of consciousness, other than difficulty in walking straight and seeing colourful patterns with eyes closed. I will have to try a different strain I think.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi]
#28582902 - 12/14/23 05:26 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Ozfungi said: What I meant by fails was that I did not feel any altered state of consciousness
Up the dose, things can get wild really quickly. Mushrooms seem to have a familiar feel to them but things can get out of shape quickly. I have had my field of vision overwhelmed but my thoughts seemingly coherent. On the flip side though I have had minimal visual distortion but be brain wildly confused. Be aware though even the same dose can have some quite different mental effects depending on how the wind is blowing.
I have to say again though, relax, expect less, you will receive more. It may seem like a weird hippy thing to be saying but it seems to work.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Kiwi89]
#28583380 - 12/15/23 02:34 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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You will have to keep trying. I do know a few people who try shrooms and have such bad nausea they refuse to ever try shrooms again.
You may have a bad reaction to the chitin. So stick with the Lemon Tek.
Really understand "set and setting." Get all your chores completed. Set aside a full 24 hours. Try fasting for 6 hours prior. Or just eat normally. But if you fast, have some easy snacks prepared. Really devote the whole day to your trip.
Do not worry about jaw clenching. It might come and go and each trip might be different. I see it more as restlessness. Try just laying in bed with your eyes closed for 6 hours. Just wiggle around and clench different muscles and squeeze different muscles to relieve the compulsion. Buy a mouth guard to clench down on if you need to. Maybe chew gum but that might worsen the jaw clenching.
Give your strain to some friends and get feedback if they have jaw clenching or if the strain is weak.
I think you are on the right track steadily increasing the does by 0.5 grams dried. Keep going up to 5 grams and then you can conclude you have a bad strain.
I recommend the same as Terrance McKenna. 5 grams dried shrooms in silent darkness. Lay on your bed for 6 hours and keep your eyes closed for 6 hours. Have some music or meditations ready on your phone. Use an eye mask and maybe put in your earbuds.
Other than that, maybe shrooms are just not for you. Do you have other drug experiences or psychedelic experiences?
Edited by Soul Flight (12/15/23 07:05 AM)
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Soul Flight]
#28583467 - 12/15/23 06:03 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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nausea and physical discomfort are common with shrooms.. some ppl get it more than others. you will have to accept it and find a dose that provides a good balance of wanted vs unwanted effects. tea combined with lemon tek (soak shrooms in lemon before brewing) might reduce your symptoms a bit. or you try lsd which has less, but still some, physical discomfort.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi] 1
#28583511 - 12/15/23 06:39 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I feel like low dose can have a lot of anxiety with the come up I get visuals when over 3g I think everyone has different experiences I get sick to my stomach and high anxiety on the come up Once over it Im good Higher doses a little different experience Still nauseous and still puke But seems to not last as long Sometimes It's different every time
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: loladoreen]
#28583788 - 12/15/23 10:37 AM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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I would try some other variety or species. What are Blue Meanies? Are you referring to pans or cubensis?
Some of the cubensis strains can be harsh and boring, while pans are different - they are more friendly, smooth and kind, and have no cubensis side effects. If I were you, I would try Panaeolus.
I believe that every shroomer should find the mushroom that suits them. Personally, I loved Thai and Florida wild cubensis and Panaeolus Cyanescens BVI, Panaeolus Cambodginiensis, Panaeolus Tropicalis, Pan Wild Coast Africa.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Bra] 1
#28583948 - 12/15/23 01:23 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Being in Australia I really thought he meant Psilocybe Subaeruginosa. These things are potent af. I wish some dumbass hadn't borrowed that colloquialism and given it to a cube strain. It didn't really occur that it could mean something else until someone said it was low dose he took, where I thought it was pretty hardcore on his last try, I usually wouldn't eat that much.
It'll be nice if OP can let us know what he means.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Northerner]
#28584093 - 12/15/23 03:22 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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I wish to thank everyone for their thoughtful replies. @Northerner I believe the Blue Meanie strain I am referring to is this one.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi] 1
#28584120 - 12/15/23 03:47 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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OT, but it's too bad the community didn't push back on whoever named a Psilocybe cubensis variety the same as the nickname for Panaeolus cyanescens...
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Soul Flight]
#28584126 - 12/15/23 03:51 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks for your detailed reply. FWIW, I have no prior experience with any psychedelic or any illicit substance. I consumed alcohol for most of my life but for several years now kava is my daily relaxant.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Ozfungi] 1
#28586104 - 12/16/23 09:35 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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Dude… you had intense closed eye visuals and you think your state of consciousness was not changed? That’s a bit of denial right there. I’ve seen people completely fucked up on shrooms claim that they don’t feel anything, lol, it’s a strange phenomenon.
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Bardy] 1
#28586679 - 12/17/23 11:11 AM (1 month, 10 days ago) |
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Sounds like they are working normal.
They have a wide range of effects.
I don't bother with open eye visuals on shrooms. I do LSD if I want that.
I would guess that the jaw clenching is more coming from your own personal habits rather than being caused by the mushrooms, but ether way, I don't think anyone has ever died from jaw clenching.
Maybe give it some more tries, or just give it up if it's not your cup of tea.
It's not very pleasant at the best of times if you consider some of the experience.
But the good parts make up for the bad.
But I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to go through that.
Maybe try LSD or even better, mescaline😉
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Re: 4 sessions, all fails. Jaw clenching, nausea. Need advice [Re: Sub-Easy]
#28592120 - 12/20/23 11:33 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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I would recommend lemon-tekking it next time. Not only does lemon tek reduce nausea; I find that it also reduces physical side effects in general. Some strains could cause more intense physical effects than others, as well.
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