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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Anyone running Linux? What distro? [Re: Rukus]
    #28592166 - 12/21/23 01:30 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Rukus said:
Anyone else enjoy using Linux?



Not really. I've explained elsewhere on the forum a couple of times why. Mostly for reasons of productivity and usability. OS-es aren't my hobby; they're part of the infrastructure that just needs to work and be as transparent as possible.

I do run linux on one or two servers. It's fine for that, and saves me the cost of a Win license.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Anyone running Linux? What distro? [Re: Rukus]
    #28593568 - 12/22/23 01:15 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

'Transparent' as in: functionality is easy to find, intuitive, it's not hidden beyond layers of (unintentional) obfuscation etc.

Linux is great in theory. In practice, it has gotten a whole lot better in the 15 or so years I've been using it, but it has a long way to go still.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Anyone running Linux? What distro? [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28599343 - 12/27/23 02:42 AM (1 month, 19 hours ago)

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huey.bluey said:
wine on linux can natively run all of your windows soyware.



Windows can run all my Windows software. Why complicate matters with an OS that offers no benefit for me and an intermediate layer that I don't need if I just run Windows to begin with? It's putting the cart before the horse.

And no, Wine is not a usable substitute for me. There's no way I can use my film scanners in Linux, certainly not the old Minolta that Linux never supported and never will, but that has run fine on consecutive versions of Windows for about 2 decades now.

I also don't recognize the need to 'obfuscate windows crap' from my operating system. Sounds pretty silly to me. I've had zero problems in this century with apps bringing the system down somehow, or malware issues etc. Zero. The supposed problems with Windows are consistently massively overstated by the Linux crowd.

Not to mention that in a business context where productivity and interoperability matter, Linux doesn't offer any benefit and tends to complicate matters. LibreOffice is not a true substitute for MS Office, interoperability between the two is mediocre and functionality of the former lags far behind the real thing. Photoshop vs. GIMP is a similar situation, with GIMP getting marks for the effort but the Adobe product taking the cake for being a product that makes actual sense in a professional (as opposed to amateur/hobbyist) context. And the list goes on and on.

Don't get me wrong; I applaud the open source philosophy, and I think it's totally amazing how far the open source crowd has come with apps like GIMP. But after years of running Linux on a desktop as a daily driver, I put things back into perspective and went back to Windows. I estimate I spent about 16 hours per year on just operating system maintenance, updates, fixes for misc problems on Linux and some areas of performance were horrible because of crappy hardware support that just remained unfixed for, well, ever. On Windows, that's maybe 1 hour if I'm stretching it and virtually anything you plug into the machine just works instantly.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Anyone running Linux? What distro? [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28599410 - 12/27/23 05:16 AM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

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huey.bluey said:
All the gimp vs Adobe vs ms paint yeah whatever eye roll apples and oranges.



Paint doesn't belong in that list. Gimp vs Photoshop is a legitimate comparison as GIMP is basically a PS clone and always has been. They're still trailing behind about a decade+ after Adobe.

All the 'I can control' stuff is in your head, one day you'll realize it has nothing to do with productivity or real-world use and everything with your own psychology. What, realistically, do you need to control that Windows (or MacOS for that matter) doesn't allow you to?

Nothing wrong with taking that control complex out on whatever hobby and if that hobby turns out to be Linux, hey, whatever floats your boat. I never got much satisfaction from it since it didn't amount to anything except irrelevant bragging rights. In the end, it's all very similar to car talk etc. "This machine takes me from 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds wooaahhh" - yeah, so, realistically speaking, this may get you at the office half a second faster than some boring old pile of rust. Whoop-deee-doo.


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Re: Anyone running Linux? What distro? [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28599668 - 12/27/23 10:18 AM (1 month, 12 hours ago)

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huey.bluey said:
It sounds like you can't handle control or you find it annoying.



LOL.
I do a lot of electronics engineering and embedded engineering for fun. That's a whole lot more 'control' than running Linux. It's a question of what you decide to spend/waste time on. For me, choosing to run Linux is a waste of time that provides to benefit. Embedded system engineering lets me do stuff I could otherwise not do, or I'd have to spend a fortune on. I'll gladly pay the $150 (the price of one decent restaurant dinner!) for a license that lasts me years. Not that I actually paid that license, because I just got a second hand HP desktop that had a license on it...

I'm pretty serious about the technical side of photography and I take a truckload of 'control' in that, too, making prints from just paper, gelatin and soot. I've done wet plate, which is basically glass, silver salts and collodion to make an image from. Doesn't get much more bare bones (literally!) than that. Compiling a kernel is as complicated as flushing the toilet compared to these things. If you don't believe me, go ahead and do it.

I'm fine with people liking to tinker. I tinker all the time - just in different areas. And don't forget, been there, done that, t-shirt in the bag and all that. I just realized it was a waste of time I could spend in a more useful manner. I also realize very well that this control is for the most part irrational; it's control for control's sake, without real-world utility.

The problem is whenever some guy (always a guy) comes along pointing out how cool Linux is and you say "well, maybe, but rationally, not so much", they have to resort to all kinds of FUD and erroneously information about the alternatives to justify their choice. Like Microsoft 'looking over your shoulder' (Bill, have a seat, grab a coffee - cream & sugar?), Windows machines supposedly requiring permanent interventions and maintenance (errr...not really, but OK, maybe I don't do my best to deliberately install sufficient malware!) etc. It's all a load of baloney.

Yes, horses for courses. Small, lightweight Linux servers make good sense in a home setting for domotics, as a print server, online storage etc. I use them all the time. Just not as a desktop system. Why bother?

Why not be honest about the whole thing and just say that you run Linux because you think it's cool. Same reason why you prefer a red car and wear New Balance sneakers or whatever. How about we cut the bullshit and call it what it is. Call it bragging rights, having the sense of being rebellious, the feeling of superiority because of being able to compile your own kernel - whatever. And you know what? That's all perfectly fine. Enjoy it.


Edited by koraks (12/27/23 10:29 AM)


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