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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Bardy]
#28594616 - 12/22/23 10:46 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594635 - 12/22/23 11:18 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I think this text explains how consensus reality works pretty well:
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All of our decisions about what is and is not are just decisions made in accordance with how it appears to our mind; they have no other basis whatsoever. Therefore, when we ask, “Does it exist or not?” and the other person answers, “It exists,” in fact, we are asking, “Does this appear to your mind to exist or not exist?” and the answer is simply, “It appears to my mind to exist.” In the same way, everything that one asks about—better or worse, good or bad, beautiful or ugly—is in fact merely asked about for the sake of understanding how the other person thinks. That the other person makes a decision and answers is in fact just a decision made in accordance with how it appears to his or her own mind; there is no other reason whatsoever. Therefore, as long as the ideas of two people are in disagreement with each other, they will argue. When they agree, the very thing that they agree upon will be placed in the class of what is, what exists, what can be known, and what is valid, and so on. Thus, the more people there are who agree, the more the point they agree upon becomes of great significance and importance. Contrary views are taken to be wrong views, mistaken perceptions, and so on.
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Therefore, all of our decisions about what exists and does not exist, what is and is not (276), are merely decisions in accordance with how it appears to our respective minds.When many hundreds of thousands of common beings to whose minds [things] appear similarly gather together, then the thing that they decide upon becomes firmly grounded and unchangeable, and those who speak in disagreement are proclaimed to be denigrators, nihilists, and so on.
Therefore, our statements about what does and does not exist are in fact classifications of what appears before our mind. Our statements that something does not exist or is impossible are classifications of what cannot appear before our mind.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Freedom]
#28594637 - 12/22/23 11:31 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Absolutely brilliant
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redgreenvines said: I wouldn't risk grading it, but we do stake our lives on it working out anyway. from the Dalai Lama to that lying political witch hunt victim. delusion all the way.
MARA in other words.
ok cool yeah but dalai lama is good to read
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Freedom]
#28594681 - 12/23/23 02:01 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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To address the nuances of how collective perceptions, contrary views, and the threshold of reality interact, and to clarify the distinction between imagination and reality in various contexts, you might respond with the following:
While it's true that collective perceptions do not automatically equate to objective truth, and contrary views are often dismissed or regarded as incorrect, this doesn't inherently validate the accuracy of either standpoint. The concept of a "threshold of reality" is useful here. It refers to the point at which an individual or group's perception aligns closely enough with objective or consensus reality that it is generally accepted as true. However, this threshold is not absolute and can vary based on context and interpretation.
In cases where someone is momentarily confused by an experience, such as virtual reality or a visual illusion, it doesn't necessarily mean they lose their ability to distinguish between imagination and reality. Typically, individuals can recognise these experiences for what they are—illusions or simulations—especially once they step out of the immediate context of the experience. This ability to discern is an important aspect of our cognitive processes.
However, in situations involving medical episodes, schizophrenia, or other conditions that affect perception and cognition, this threshold can be disrupted, making it more challenging for individuals to distinguish between their perceptions and what is commonly accepted as reality. It's crucial to understand that these are exceptional cases and not indicative of the general human experience.
Visual illusions, such as optical illusions, provide an interesting case study. While they can momentarily trick our senses, most people can recognise them as illusions. This recognition demonstrates our ability to understand and categorise experiences, distinguishing between what is 'real' and what is a trick of perception.
In summary, the threshold of reality is a fluid concept influenced by collective perceptions, individual experiences, and contextual factors. While collective perceptions and contrary views each have their own validity, neither automatically denotes an objective truth. Understanding this helps us appreciate the complexity of discerning reality, particularly in contexts where perception is altered or challenged.
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Ferdinando said:
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redgreenvines said: I wouldn't risk grading it, but we do stake our lives on it working out anyway. from the Dalai Lama to that lying political witch hunt victim. delusion all the way.
MARA in other words.
ok cool yeah but dalai lama is good to read
yes and he cares about "funny", "joy", "humanity"
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594707 - 12/23/23 03:12 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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sudly said:... In summary, the threshold of reality is a fluid concept influenced by collective perceptions, individual experiences, and contextual factors. While collective perceptions and contrary views each have their own validity, neither automatically denotes an objective truth. Understanding this helps us appreciate the complexity of discerning reality, particularly in contexts where perception is altered or challenged.
I understand that, but it is not something that comes to mind while I struggle to distinguish the real from the imaginary. At those times, usually, I can recognize I'm in a dream, or that I'm in a frame stack, and I have to stop moving, and begin reconnecting, body scan, breath following, and when the state of mind levels out, try again.
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redgreenvines said: I wouldn't risk grading it, but we do stake our lives on it working out anyway. from the Dalai Lama to that lying political witch hunt victim. delusion all the way.
MARA in other words.
The mother of Samsara.
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redgreenvines said: associative perceptions, and learned routines, and the sharpness of our senses. these have to work out so as to support living our lives together and producing the next generations.
Relatively important relationships with relatives that relate to well being and suffering. Relating to such is relative to relationships. Which has its own relations. And those too, have relations. And so forth.
Anything can be related to delusion. This suggests anything can cease to be related as well. Relationships are relatively important.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594989 - 12/23/23 08:04 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Ok I'm starting to get the sense this thread wasn't created in good faith.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle] 2
#28595093 - 12/23/23 09:44 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Kickle said: We see what we see 

and things are inherently different from different perspectives
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28595102 - 12/23/23 09:49 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: associative perceptions, and learned routines, and the sharpness of our senses. these have to work out so as to support living our lives together and producing the next generations.
Relatively important relationships with relatives that relate to well being and suffering. Relating to such is relative to relationships. Which has its own relations. And those too, have relations. And so forth.
Anything can be related to delusion. This suggests anything can cease to be related as well. Relationships are relatively important.
I am not using word play. association is how we find our way as moving creatures - it is the recognition of something familiar. while family relations and generations is how life persists:
what we perceive is the associative reflex of mind in the current context and it either helps point the way &/or move us along, or it does not. that is reality 10 times per second.
it is different for each moving creature. an equivalence threshold between your reality and my reality is screen based, and screen glare informed, with fingers wiggling on a laptop at my end, along with guesses about your end, and no direct family ties for the last millenium perhaps.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28595139 - 12/23/23 11:00 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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it's been a splash!
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28595159 - 12/23/23 11:25 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Thermodynamics follows a dynamic curve.
Straight lines.
String tensors.
Resting and moving strings.
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Those are all words. Physics concepts to be precise… how are you relating that to the threshold at which you think something can be considered real?
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Bardy]
#28598120 - 12/25/23 11:17 PM (1 month, 2 days ago) |
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Things rise and fall in the mind..
A peak experience wave.
Continuum.
Impermanence!
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