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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle] 1
#28594011 - 12/22/23 11:49 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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then there is the whole been there done that Mr. Magoo syndrome where we imagine that what we previously knew has not changed, and we blindly bumble around with our eyes closed for most of the show.
 you could say it is hallucinatory but it is more of a sleep walk through preconceptions.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594016 - 12/22/23 11:58 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Kickle said: Does anyone think that errors, mistakes, misunderstandings, etc. can fall into the category of mistaking imagination for reality?
Would this count as delusion? Acting on imagined or projected circumstances instead of consensus reality?
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I waffled a bit then settled on 'no'. I thought of augmented reality, where some elements are present and some are projected. Do the projected elements negate the present ones? I settled on 'no'. And so I cannot say someone has become delusional just because of some projected elements. There's probably a tipping point in the spectrum somewhere for my judgement tho
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594224 - 12/22/23 03:42 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Definitely delusional As everything is All mixed together
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594247 - 12/22/23 04:09 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Kickle said: I waffled a bit then settled on 'no'. I thought of augmented reality, where some elements are present and some are projected. Do the projected elements negate the present ones? I settled on 'no'. And so I cannot say someone has become delusional just because of some projected elements. There's probably a tipping point in the spectrum somewhere for my judgement tho 
I meant psychological projection, not literal, optical projection.
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Yeah, I gathered as much. It was an analogy
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594273 - 12/22/23 04:30 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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And as the other poster mentioned, schizophrenia is very real for the individual, with no notes of dullness or lack of clarity
Are you trying to distinguish between the mirror box, virtual reality and schizophrenia?
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594323 - 12/22/23 05:09 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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No
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redgreenvines said: Definitely delusional As everything is All mixed together
What, no grading on a curve?
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594436 - 12/22/23 07:23 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I wouldn't risk grading it, but we do stake our lives on it working out anyway. from the Dalai Lama to that lying political witch hunt victim. delusion all the way.
MARA in other words.
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On what working out?
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Kickle]
#28594478 - 12/22/23 08:12 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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associative perceptions, and learned routines, and the sharpness of our senses. these have to work out so as to support living our lives together and producing the next generations.
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redgreenvines said: most of the hallucination that I get are the out of control, chaotic reverberations of previous sensations, vision, feelings, ideas and sound, which obscure the freshest moments of sensation and perception. There is no question about it being hallucinatory, but it is not a single hallucinated thing which is unreal, but a state of being in which what is actual is very difficult to discern amidst the layered and branched tripping artifacts.
Like amidst heavy flotsam and jetsam, so "where's the beach"?
Maybe I'm some kinda person with a less colourful imagination, I just don't get how outside of schizophrenia, delirium or psychedelics you couldn't distinguish reality from imagination.
With virtual reality, someone might be confused from the experience, but I think it's wrong to say they're confused between reality and imagination.
With the mirror box experiment, that's at least worth exploring to me, but also reminds me of what the brain does when looking at a negative coloured image then changing it over to a black and white one still seeing colour.
Are the colours real or is it a kind of illusion? Could ask what's changing, but not whats imaginary or real.

And it doesn't last long.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594518 - 12/22/23 08:56 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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al the colors are real, but when you ask the question about changing colors being real, I think you are really asking if they will stay the same colors for a few hours or if they will revert back right away. Like how long will it be this way, or that way, and then maybe was one more real than the other or longer lasting or something like that.
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That's the thing, if it's longer lasting, I think that means there's a serious underlying issue at hand, that or psychedelics.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594566 - 12/22/23 09:41 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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or you are seeing the colors the way they are for you to see, but if you end up disagreeing with everyone about what you are seeing, then yeah get checked out.
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Colourblindness aside, if someone is struggling to see the illusion of the illusion after long enough.. time to check yourself in imo.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594600 - 12/22/23 10:14 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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You don’t have a less colourful imagination Sudly, your views are just constrained by what you think you know, as are all of ours. It’s an amazing world.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: Bardy]
#28594603 - 12/22/23 10:16 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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At least the illusion of illusions don't outlast their stay in my experience.
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Re: Reality threshold [Re: sudly]
#28594605 - 12/22/23 10:29 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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How long do they intend to stay?
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