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What would it be like? * 1
    #28590270 - 12/19/23 06:26 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

What would it be like to truly inhabit the mind of someone who felt they could cast spells?
Not someone who thinks they could, but rather someone who is fully convinced they could cast spells?

I can imagine the first, but I want to appreciate the second. I can imagine being there, but to be fully "there"... that would be incredible.


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: solarshroomster] * 2
    #28590317 - 12/19/23 06:55 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I got something better.

I'm fully convinced we are inhabited by a Living God who can and will perform bible level miracles especially for one as unremarkable as me.

The Fool at first discovers something Higher, thinks its them doing it and becomes The Magician. After that, they realize that its not them but a Higher Power doing everything, and they become the High Priestess.

Wizardry is step 2. on to Step 3.


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: Asante]
    #28590546 - 12/19/23 09:26 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Asante said:
I got something better.

I'm fully convinced we are inhabited by a Living God who can and will perform bible level miracles especially for one as unremarkable as me.

The Fool at first discovers something Higher, thinks its them doing it and becomes The Magician. After that, they realize that its not them but a Higher Power doing everything, and they become the High Priestess.

Wizardry is step 2. on to Step 3.




Wow, I love this.

You have to watch this, this really hits the spot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=589&v=-5Q8kbsrE9o&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDIzODUx&feature=emb_title


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Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28591695 - 12/20/23 05:21 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Who is not casting spells? As they say, thoughts are things. Spells are thoughts.


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28591823 - 12/20/23 07:03 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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solarshroomster said:
What would it be like to truly inhabit the mind of someone who felt they could cast spells?




Good question.

I've heard claims of people possessing others at a distance and talking with someone. I've yet to witness anything like that.

A lot of people practice things like the ritual of the pentagram in western occult traditions. An argument can be made that a spell is little more than intention and that this focuses energy and that the attention is that of the mind of the person with the intention. In this any thought or intention is as unto the casting of a spell. In a sense this also means that the intention may create a psychological expectation that causes the individual to increasingly interpret events as supporting the concept of the effectiveness of their magical efforts. Like having a bad day because that's what the newspaper horoscope said would happen.

But, if one addresses an entity and asks it for things and stuff or talks to it in a standardized or ritualized manner, is this not also a form of spell casting? Yet is this not also what prayer is? Where is the line between occult ritual magic and prayer?

And while we are here, what about Mantra and Japa Yoga?

Perhaps even when words seem powerful the real power is the power of mind? Be it from the ability of the mind to direct unseen energies or from the power of imagination, or some mixture of the twain.

In ancient times spells were associated with writing, the act of writing was itself seen as a sacred and magical act in such times as when paper-like material was often worth more its weight in gold. In fact, the basis of all traditional spellcrafting is language and writing is often traditionally considered an especially potent way to cast a spell.

If wording beliefs in a sentence can convey and invoke them and have impact and effect upon the self and others then even the atheist casts a form of spell in spelling out their own atheism.

We learn to spell words for a reason.

We're all wizards here.


Edited by Nillion (12/20/23 07:07 PM)


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28593885 - 12/22/23 10:05 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I mentioned in another thread a case where a man I once knew cursed a woman and her dog died. I don't know that the two events are related, but some people including him were and are apparently convinced.

I can give some insight into his mindset, background and psychology.
First, he was reported by his friends and family to have had a severe personality change that according to those who knew him undermined his ability to think and perceive rationally, they reported that he got lost and never really came back. Even he reported that the episode that they are all talking about was life changing for him as well. This was when he decided to eat handfuls of leaves of Datura wrightii.

He was and is also obsessed with Carlos Castaneda, to the point of even buying those wacky magical passes videos etc. He believes Castaneda entirely and it shapes a lot of his mindset.

He is also someone who used methamphetamine and drank heavily. Last I heard, a couple years ago, he was in rehab, but I don't know how that has or has not worked out. I've avoided him for many years, though I wish him luck in his sobriety.

He is also a member of an occult group sworn to secrecy, the male members often call themselves warlocks and it is linked to other related groups, all have Satanic themes like 09A and Temple of Set. Black robes, nude orgies, even reports of actual human sacrifice arise from the group and its affiliates. They aren't fashion satanists who go around claiming to be Satanists, though, they deny their practice and are sworn to some pretty serious secrecy, blood oaths and shit. I've spoken with a few members who broke their oaths to help me with a problem I was having with a couple of their members. Most of those I had a problem with are dead now, I suspect they were killed by giving them a hot-shot, which is common in some circles as a way to execute people and prevent an investigation into their deaths, they just get called overdoses.

Basically everything in that mans life is oriented around his belief in the occult, his social life, his drug use, the books he reads, even the music he listens too which tends to be produced by other members in his organization. As far as I am aware most people aren't even aware that groups like it exist and often consider reports of them to be related to Satanic Panic, though 09A and Temple of Set clearly do exist. To learn more about people who believe that kind of stuff one can look for literature from those groups. Some of the literature is hard to find but has been leaked here and there online, it can give a lot of insight into an occult mentality and its relation to concepts like the left hand path and the black flame.

But, if we go back in time another aspect of magical thinking arises before the knowledge of things like alkaloids and pharmacology was available to our species. One could inhale tobacco smoke and feel the nicotine and "know" that it was a magical event and the smoke had power. The same for other things like Opium, it can make someone sleep and die so was considered imbued with the powers of the God of Death and Sleep. This type of magical thinking is not only ancient, many people today think like this, that pharmacology is occult activity. People with this type of mentality can take DMT and then believe that it has a power to allow them to perceive a supernatural reality. Brews containing various psychoactive ingredients are, I believe, the very origin of the concept of magic potions. If one looks at the Aztex codex drawings of such things, the inclusion of things like the blood of a serpent in such brews also mirrors the classic concept of the whole eye of newt, toe of bat kind of ingredients we associate with fairy tale potions.

It's human nature to attribute cause to events, if your mother broke her back, for example, perhaps it is because their child stepped improperly upon a sidewalk etc. If there was hail that destroyed the crops there is nothing that can be done, but since we are often taught that all is the will of some supernatural character that arranges all behind the scenes then it becomes easier to attribute blame for the hail on something like the neighbor we don't like. Obviously if the crops failed it is the fault of someone who wanted them to fail, because things don't happen by accident etc. Needless to say a lot of innocent young women have been murdered by people attempting to exert control over things that people have zero control over, like hailstorms.

Magical thinking is a type of delusional thought process, clearly, but it is widespread and often reinforced by things like peer pressure and mob mentality. It isn't just the root of occult behavior, it is at the heart of most organized religion as well, where it is often taught that all is the will of a deity. Thus if something bad happens then it is thought of as either God testing a person or the Devil messing with a person or both. Magical thinking is one of the more serious mental obstacles that prevents individuals from having meaningful insight into reality and themselves, regardless of the context it is found in, or so it seems to myself and others who have studied it. Or rather, maybe I need a lot more booze, Datura and meth to understand how real Carlos Castaneda and Organized religion actually are? Seems like that helps a lot.


Edited by Nillion (12/22/23 10:10 AM)


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28593962 - 12/22/23 11:01 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I have never intentionally cursed anyone. I wouldn't know how.
The woman my ex husband had an affair with and a woman who was stalking me both got breast cancer. At the same time.
I always thought it bizarre


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: Nillion]
    #28594026 - 12/22/23 12:06 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

"We're all wizards here."

"Magical thinking is one of the more serious mental obstacles that prevents individuals from having meaningful insight into reality and themselves, regardless of the context it is found in, or so it seems to myself and others who have studied it."

How do you reconcile these? Self-responsibility seems a distinction, and due respect of natural laws.


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: syncro]
    #28594060 - 12/22/23 12:31 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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syncro said:
"We're all wizards here."

"Magical thinking is one of the more serious mental obstacles that prevents individuals from having meaningful insight into reality and themselves, regardless of the context it is found in, or so it seems to myself and others who have studied it."

How do you reconcile these? Self-responsibility seems a distinction, and due respect of natural laws.




For me there is no conflict so I have no need of reconciling them.
The historical relationship of spell casting to language, hence spelling and learning to spell, is accurate, thus all people who "spell" are wizards, hence all those here at the forum are wizards, even if they are atheists. I don't believe this undermines or negates the issue of magical thinking causing flawed and delusional interpretations of causality.

But also, you are engaging with a person whose favorite word is Dialetheia, so that might change things.


Edited by Nillion (12/22/23 01:00 PM)


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: Nillion]
    #28594160 - 12/22/23 02:42 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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For there is no work that is done by meer Magick, nor any work that is meerly Magicall, that doth not comprehend these three Faculties.




That is, "naturall Philosophy", "Mathematicks, and in the Aspects, and Figures of the Stars, upon which depends the sublime vertue", and "Theologie".

Source is top secret. :hehehe:


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28595924 - 12/24/23 12:16 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Magical thinking is fun and interesting..


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28599560 - 12/27/23 08:21 AM (1 month, 22 hours ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
Magical thinking is fun and interesting..



I think so, at times at least.
Certainly as far as magical thoughts go their entertainment values are among their more redeeming aspects, I suspect this is why Horoscopes are valued by many people who know deep down that the stars have nothing to do with their personalities or life events.

Even from the outside perspective certain common magical thinking delusions are entertaining. Like the individuals that take psychedelics and then believe they are incarnated forms of deities. People thinking that God has a special plan for them to save the world and all it took to see this was heavy drug use, does have entertainment value if you don't actually care about the person experiencing drug related delusions and mental illness. The more compassion a person has, however, the more difficult seeing this behavior in others can potentially be.

Once we get to Castaneda though, things take on new risks. He teaches that when a shaman jumps from a cliff the shaman does not die for he becomes a crow and flies away. Magical thinking can be entertaining and it can be profitable but it can be quite harmful.  I get that there will always be those people that fall victim to such material, but I hope they try to take off from the ground and stay away from cliffs.


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Re: What would it be like? [Re: Asante]
    #28600861 - 12/28/23 12:41 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago)

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Asante said:
I got something better.

I'm fully convinced we are inhabited by a Living God who can and will perform bible level miracles especially for one as unremarkable as me.

The Fool at first discovers something Higher, thinks its them doing it and becomes The Magician. After that, they realize that its not them but a Higher Power doing everything, and they become the High Priestess.

Wizardry is step 2. on to Step 3.




I would have gotten kicked out of the church for saying so. And, out of church school. Since elementary school, I have always thought it was the same office as a prophet or miracle worker.


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